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Junior football, what is the future?


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12 minutes ago, energyzone said:
2 hours ago, Bad Wolf said:
Maybe I'm being overly pessimistic, but reading the last few pages I find the phrase "give them an inch and they'll take a mile" buzzing around my head. I don't like that last WRJFA statement at all. They think they've won, not compromised. I do hope I'm wrong.

It's puzzled me as well. They are claiming it as victory and presenting like they got everything they wanted.

If you visit the USA or even elsewhere in the UK you will find the same language/words in use but they have a different meaning. You don't have to travel very far in football here to find the same thing!

I think that it would be very wise for all clubs which genuinely intend to switch away from the SJFA to the new WoS run by the Lowland League to put in their applications straight away. Kilwinning has set out its' stall and others need to follow. 

This would strengthen the Lowland League's negotiating position and weaken that of the SJFA (alias WRJFA).

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2 hours ago, Bad Wolf said:

Maybe I'm being overly pessimistic, but reading the last few pages I find the phrase "give them an inch and they'll take a mile" buzzing around my head. I don't like that last WRJFA statement at all. They think they've won, not compromised. I do hope I'm wrong.

The best negotiators get what they want and leave the other side thinking they won. 

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6 minutes ago, Dev said:

This would strengthen the Lowland League's negotiating position and weaken that of the SJFA (alias WRJFA).

I think the WR have accepted there can only be one feeder League and despite what they said going round club meetings it won't be decided at the SFA AGM in June. So if any club wants the Pyramid access required for an SFA Licence they should be getting the application filled out just in case talks break down on 23rd March. At the moment both sides appear optimistic.

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2 hours ago, Dev said:

If you visit the USA or even elsewhere in the UK you will find the same language/words in use but they have a different meaning. You don't have to travel very far in football here to find the same thing!

I think that it would be very wise for all clubs which genuinely intend to switch away from the SJFA to the new WoS run by the Lowland League to put in their applications straight away. Kilwinning has set out its' stall and others need to follow. 

This would strengthen the Lowland League's negotiating position and weaken that of the SJFA (alias WRJFA).

Well said Dev :  best contribution of the day.

And congratulations to Kilwinning, for setting an example. It hasn't been clear (to me) whether the SLL applications "window" is temporarily on hold, pending the meeting on the 23rd ?  Keep moving on.

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A compromise can often be a good thing, but if it ends up with a less united non-league going forward, different main cups for different teams at the same level, and future problems down the road, that can’t be a good thing. Hopefully whatever agreement is reached, all teams that join the pyramid will be fully integrated. 

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A compromise can often be a good thing, but if it ends up with a less united non-league going forward, different main cups for different teams at the same level, and future problems down the road, that can’t be a good thing. Hopefully whatever agreement is reached, all teams that join the pyramid will be fully integrated. 


You can’t surely end up with a ‘less united non-league’ than we currently have
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5 hours ago, Jacksgranda said:

It was more the words being bandied about - one side's talking about "suggestions" the other side's talking about "agreement".

 

1 minute ago, lowenan said:

A compromise can often be a good thing, but if it ends up with a less united non-league going forward, different main cups for different teams at the same level, and future problems down the road, that can’t be a good thing. Hopefully whatever agreement is reached, all teams that join the pyramid will be fully integrated. 

 

The Lowland League's Statement 5, doesn't refer to "suggestions", or " agreement", or "compromise".  It did however state :

Following talks at yesterday's PWG meeting............some "common ground" was found to enable the talks to continue on Monday 23rd March." We hope these talks will be equally productive, and look forward to updating everyone at their conclusion."      (13th March 2020).

Common ground ?

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3 minutes ago, Robert James said:

 

 

The Lowland League's Statement 5, doesn't refer to "suggestions", or " agreement", or "compromise".  It did however state :

 

Maybe not, but posts on here did.

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11 minutes ago, lowenan said:

A compromise can often be a good thing, but if it ends up with a less united non-league going forward, different main cups for different teams at the same level, and future problems down the road, that can’t be a good thing. Hopefully whatever agreement is reached, all teams that join the pyramid will be fully integrated. 

By the sounds of things there won't be a difference in the main cups. It might be perceived that way by the Juniors, but it cannot work that way in practice.

  • Scottish Cup based on this year will have 10 Saturdays booked into the calendar.
  • South Challenge Cup with an increase of 63+ clubs into the competition will have 8 Saturdays booked into the calendar.

Then the leagues will have to take priority as well.

The Junior Cup is then competing for the same sort of space taken up by the Qualifying Cup, Southern Counties Cup elsewhere.

 

 

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Would it be appropriate for the SJFA to release some of their reported £500,000 reserve to cover players wages during the current Coronavirus emergency?

Wonderful opportunity for TJ to show some real leadership at a very difficult time for clubs during a growing emergency . Would also ensure that a large pot is not left when clubs migrate to the WOSFL.

Time for TJ to make a statement on this issue.

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Well said Dev :  best contribution of the day.
And congratulations to Kilwinning, for setting an example. It hasn't been clear (to me) whether the SLL applications "window" is temporarily on hold, pending the meeting on the 23rd ?  Keep moving on.
No, the LL-WOSFL plan is proceeding as planned meantime.
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2 minutes ago, Pyramidic said:

Would it be appropriate for the SJFA to release some of their reported £500,000 reserve to cover players wages during the current Coronavirus emergency?

Wonderful opportunity for TJ to show some real leadership at a very difficult time for clubs during a growing emergency . Would also ensure that a large pot is not left when clubs migrate to the WOSFL.

Time for TJ to make a statement on this issue.

While on the face of it it seems like a good idea I doubt Tom Johnston has the authority to do that, it would probably require a meeting of the SJFA committee or an EGM to do that.

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26 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:

By the sounds of things there won't be a difference in the main cups. It might be perceived that way by the Juniors, but it cannot work that way in practice.

  • Scottish Cup based on this year will have 10 Saturdays booked into the calendar.
  • South Challenge Cup with an increase of 63+ clubs into the competition will have 8 Saturdays booked into the calendar.

Then the leagues will have to take priority as well.

The Junior Cup is then competing for the same sort of space taken up by the Qualifying Cup, Southern Counties Cup elsewhere.

 

 

Unless the junior WOSFL teams don’t compete in the South Challenge Cup.

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24 minutes ago, glensmad said:
1 hour ago, Robert James said:
Well said Dev :  best contribution of the day.
And congratulations to Kilwinning, for setting an example. It hasn't been clear (to me) whether the SLL applications "window" is temporarily on hold, pending the meeting on the 23rd ?  Keep moving on.

No, the LL-WOSFL plan is proceeding as planned meantime.

Good news...... thanks.

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Just now, the rambler said:

Hopefully those that are actually involved in the process continue to make progress. 

The nay sayers on here that aren't happy because it looks like they won't get exactly what they want are now boring the arse off me. 

The feelings mutual mate 👍

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32 minutes ago, Pyramidic said:

Would it be appropriate for the SJFA to release some of their reported £500,000 reserve to cover players wages during the current Coronavirus emergency?

Wonderful opportunity for TJ to show some real leadership at a very difficult time for clubs during a growing emergency . Would also ensure that a large pot is not left when clubs migrate to the WOSFL.

Time for TJ to make a statement on this issue.

That's money that's in an Investment Bond so there will be rules on how much can be taken out in one go and avoid paying tax on it.

EDIT : There's 133 Junior clubs as well - while the money would be welcome, how much would £1K last for a Premiership club.....you're talking days more than weeks.

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1 minute ago, lowenan said:

Unless the junior WOSFL teams don’t compete in the South Challenge Cup.

Going by their own declaration it's considered a choice to continue participating in the Junior Cup. And from the meeting it was referred to as being no different to the Qualifying Cup etc. 

I'm sure the pyramid leagues will make the South Challenge Cup mandatory for WOSFL clubs. 

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