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Junior football, what is the future?


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Just now, glensmad said:

Hardly breaking news, it was yesterday morning.

And they are also quoted as saying "However it does not tie us to one plan or another".

Yes we declare our support but we may abandon you anyway and go with the other lot

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I’m half-expecting the West junior-backed league to turn up at Hampden in their single digits, have a few club reps stand on the stairs and pose for a zoomed in photo, and Gordon Ronney and co claim “here’s just a few of our amazing supporters”

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the SJFA is finished. west region teams would like to be in the pyramid but retain league structure as it is [with access for others to join].  could this not be done by sitting down with the L L and EOS to set up league. after agreement is reached the west region officials step down and new league appoint officials to run league at first meeting of clubs   T J is not involved in any way   and although they would be "senior" clubs could retain junior in their name.    a cup competition to replace the junior cup involving teams below tier 5 could be put in place

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2 minutes ago, marconi said:

the SJFA is finished. west region teams would like to be in the pyramid but retain league structure as it is [with access for others to join].  could this not be done by sitting down with the L L and EOS to set up league. after agreement is reached the west region officials step down and new league appoint officials to run league at first meeting of clubs   T J is not involved in any way   and although they would be "senior" clubs could retain junior in their name.    a cup competition to replace the junior cup involving teams below tier 5 could be put in place

I think it just seems much easier and simpler for the LL to set up their own league and let others join, or not, as they wish.

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3 minutes ago, marconi said:

the SJFA is finished. west region teams would like to be in the pyramid but retain league structure as it is [with access for others to join].  could this not be done by sitting down with the L L and EOS to set up league. after agreement is reached the west region officials step down and new league appoint officials to run league at first meeting of clubs   T J is not involved in any way   and although they would be "senior" clubs could retain junior in their name.    a cup competition to replace the junior cup involving teams below tier 5 could be put in place

If the current league structure is retained in a new WoSFL, how would you integrate the non-Junior clubs?   all into the Premiership and bump down the bottom 4 or 5?

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4 minutes ago, Burnie_man said:

If the current league structure is retained in a new WoSFL, how would you integrate the non-Junior clubs?   all into the Premiership and bump down the bottom 4 or 5?

If enough junior clubs want to join to form multiple leagues and were overwhelmingly in favour of retaining current league structure as much as possible, I don't see any other way of doing it. Non junior clubs joining the WoSFL have a right to enter the pyramid at tier 6 IMO. If junior clubs valued the current structure highly enough, letting in non-juniors above some of them would have to be the price to be paid for dodging conferences for a season.

Although personally, I don't see the problem with conferences and they've met with almost universal approval in the East.

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13 minutes ago, Burnie_man said:

If the current league structure is retained in a new WoSFL, how would you integrate the non-Junior clubs?   all into the Premiership and bump down the bottom 4 or 5?

I understand that the WRSJFA plan would involve incorporating any licensed/level 6 non-juniors into the premiership, and others 'at an appropriate level', then running with divisions of over 18 where necessary for a single season.

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7 minutes ago, archieb said:

I understand that the WRSJFA plan would involve incorporating any licensed/level 6 non-juniors into the premiership, and others 'at an appropriate level', then running with divisions of over 18 where necessary for a single season.

Who decides the "appropriate level" ?  You might need a Premiership bigger than 18.

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20 minutes ago, Gordon EF said:

If enough junior clubs want to join to form multiple leagues and were overwhelmingly in favour of retaining current league structure as much as possible, I don't see any other way of doing it. Non junior clubs joining the WoSFL have a right to enter the pyramid at tier 6 IMO. If junior clubs valued the current structure highly enough, letting in non-juniors above some of them would have to be the price to be paid for dodging conferences for a season.

Although personally, I don't see the problem with conferences and they've met with almost universal approval in the East.

Conferences is the preferred way forward for the first season., I think the LL have been clear about that from the outset and will probably re-iterate it tonight.  It was a success in the East and no reason why it wouldn't be likewise in the west.

What you have to bear in mind is that non-Junior clubs would be in the minority, therefore their interests also need to be regarded as well.

I suspect we'll see something like two Conferences of 16/18 teams as I think the WoSFL will kick-off with around 32/36 clubs. If it's more, then 3 x 14 is also workable.  You then decide how you want the structure to look in 2021-22, and allocate finishing positions accordingly eg top 8 from each Conference form a Premier.

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1 minute ago, Burnie_man said:

Conferences is the preferred way forward for the first season., I think the LL have been clear about that from the outset and will probably re-iterate it tonight.  It was a success in the East and no reason why it wouldn't be likewise in the west.

What you have to bear in mind is that non-Junior clubs would be in the minority, therefore their interests also need to be regarded as well.

I suspect we'll see something like two Conferences of 16/18 teams as I think the WoSFL will kick-off with around 32/36 clubs. If it's more, then 3 x 14 is also workable.  You then decide how you want the structure to look in 2021-22, and allocate finishing positions accordingly eg top 8 from each Conference form a Premier.

I think an important principle is that every new member has the right to enter at the highest "new" level, which in the west is tier 6. Conferences solve that easily. Everyone in at the same level regardless of where they came from.

Basically to form a tier 6 and 7, I'd say that every single member has to be happy with that and agree with the level they would end up in. If one club says they want to be tier 6 rather 7, you can't put them in at tier 7 to appease other clubs.

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You’re better to set up a new league with willing members than to just move the entire WRJFA over. If what’s being reported about some of the hostile attitudes towards the LL and EOS are correct do you really want these teams to be forced over, what if more than 50% of the league are of this opinion then they could go out their way to make things difficult and elect anti pyramid people as the league reps. Form a WOSFL let teams choose and those who wish to join can lead the way and those who do not can remain in the SJFA until such time as they want to join the pyramid. Your WOSFL will be a happier place if it’s volunteers and not pressed men.

 

 

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Have any of the west juniors teams been in touch with former east juniors teams that transferred to the EoSL/LL in the last couple of years to get an idea what are the pros and cons about converting? They just seem to be getting all their info from the WRJFA

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4 minutes ago, razamanaz said:

Have any of the west juniors teams been in touch with former east juniors teams that transferred to the EoSL/LL in the last couple of years to get an idea what are the pros and cons about converting? They just seem to be getting all their info from the WRJFA

We played Dunipace in a friendly match a few weeks ago and had a good chat with them and saw their facilities.

I have also been speaking to some contacts I have at LL/EoSFL clubs.

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11 minutes ago, surely not! said:

 


Chicken and egg scenario. Folk tonight will want to know the potential format before making a decision. Decision can’t be made by member clubs before membership happens.
 

 

Which is why they'll likely leave it as "single division or seeded Conferences depending on the numbers".

They aren't going to get caught in some half baked ranking system of clubs.

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Conferences may be for the best now due to gatherings of over 500 will be potentially banned for forseeable future so going by Isa's crowd estimates Talbot won't be able to play any more games along with Pollok while the rest will finish the season bar 1 or 2 games since we have under 500.....?

 

 

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12 minutes ago, Shannon said:

Conferences may be for the best now due to gatherings of over 500 will be potentially banned for forseeable future so going by Isa's crowd estimates Talbot won't be able to play any more games along with Pollok while the rest will finish the seasons since we have under 500... emoji848.pngemoji23.png

I was going to say something similar. There are already games scheduled until the end of May. Any potential cancellations, not just around fans but possibly players going into self-isolation, could end the season.

There's no 2000-01 SoSFL Champion due to foot & mouth.

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