theesel1994 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, GNU_Linux said: None of those clubs have juniors as part of their name. The only clubs who use junior in their name are Cumnock, Beith, Neilston, Gartcairn, Wishaw & Greenock. Of the ex-juniors out east Camelon & Tranent kept it as part of their name with Glenrothes choosing to drop it. Darvel & Muirkirk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 If we’re talking about ‘years of uncertainty’ if something similar happens to EoS(tier 6 conferences one year, premier division + tier 7 conferences and then settling down to a more permanent structure) then you just need to look at what happens to the current structure, that won’t be stable for years yet either. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanCamelonfan Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 23 minutes ago, GNU_Linux said: None of those clubs have juniors as part of their name. The only clubs who use junior in their name are Cumnock, Beith, Neilston, Gartcairn, Wishaw & Greenock. Of the ex-juniors out east Camelon & Tranent kept it as part of their name with Glenrothes choosing to drop it. Sauchie kept it aswell 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Starko Rover Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 Yes "geographical identity" is the LL's mantra for the West, and has already been adhered to in the East. However the Luncarty/Tayport situation may challenge the boundary principle/rule ? ****** As an aside, Brechin may not finish the season as Club 42. The current situation is : Albion Rovers 26 - 24 (10 games to play,including Cove once, & Edinburgh City twice) Brechin City 27 - 17 (9 games to play, but 'easier' fixtures 'on paper')No chance Brechin will overtake Albion they’ve got 17 points from 27 games, I’d be amazed if they can even catch Albions current points total of 24 as on current points per game they’ll only get 23 and even then they’d need Albion to lose every game. Brechin are a beaten team and they’re going to the playoff. They need to hope Brora/Kelty/Bonnyrigg don’t turn up or they’re heading out the leagues. Saw it mentioned earlier about the West Lothian teams possibly finding the EOSFL is full in the future, that must never happen any club wanting to join meeting the criteria should be accepted. There must be no closed shops and once we have a WOSFL the bottle necks for promotion to the LL and SPFL need to be looked at. Any pyramid should be free flowing with the only hurdles to promotion being minimum ground standards i.e floodlights at Tier 5. Once WOSFL is up and running hopefully the HL/NCL/NRJFA and Tayside clubs can sort something out. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glensmad Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 27 minutes ago, GNU_Linux said: None of those clubs have juniors as part of their name. The only clubs who use junior in their name are Cumnock, Beith, Neilston, Gartcairn, Wishaw & Greenock. Of the ex-juniors out east Camelon & Tranent kept it as part of their name with Glenrothes choosing to drop it. Port Glasgow, Lesmahagow, Muirkirk, Maybole, Darvel as well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Starko Rover Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 It will be really interesting to hear what Mr Ronney has to say and how much of it will be bluster, it is my one sincere hope that the delegates who go tonight put him through the wringer and see through any smoke screen or even veiled threats that he may come up with.I for one hope that the WOSL becomes a reality as there has been no progress on or off the park, seems to many of the blazers are in it for themselves. A thought any of the teams who do move over will they drop the juniors tag and become, eg Pollock FC, Kilbirnie FC, Auchinleck FC, etc. No need to drop the Junior name from any club it just reflects their history, Hamilton still carry the name “Academical” 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted March 10, 2020 Author Share Posted March 10, 2020 10 minutes ago, gogsy said: Wishaw Juniors committee member Alex Young said the club had “declared an interest” in both meetings and were still leaving their options open. He notes that the club have “put their faith” in club secretary Robert Watson to make the decision for the League One strugglers. Doesn't matter which way he votes surely "putting their faith" in one man is a crazy way to run a club. Then again its the Daily Record Doesn't the Wishaw secretary post on here? Robert is one of the games good guys, and good people are involved with Wishaw, I doubt they'll just blindly follow either option. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archieb Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 1 hour ago, The1andonly said: A thought any of the teams who do move over will they drop the juniors tag and become, eg Pollock FC, Kilbirnie FC, Auchinleck FC, etc. 1 hour ago, GNU_Linux said: None of those clubs have juniors as part of their name. The only clubs who use junior in their name are Cumnock, Beith, Neilston, Gartcairn, Wishaw & Greenock. Of the ex-juniors out east Camelon & Tranent kept it as part of their name with Glenrothes choosing to drop it. Indeed so. Pollok (no "c", please note) have only ever been just "Pollok FC" despite numerous attempts by ignorant journos etc to re-christen them! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 (edited) Reading Record articles is like reading the outpourings of Talbot fans here. Gosh, what a coincidence. "Uncertainty" = I'm too thick to understand anything that isn't exactly as it has always been, apparently. "Always" meaning "since 2002", of course. Edited March 10, 2020 by Bad Wolf 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 3 hours ago, Jacksgranda said: Do you think so? Yes. However, only time will tell. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 4 hours ago, Ginaro said: https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/local-sport/lanarkshire-junior-football-chiefs-fear-21665812 The usual every sentence is a paragraph from the Record. A weird mention of tier 7, apparently years of uncertainty with WOS conferences despite the fact that the WRJFA don't seem to have a plan to integrate the non-Juniors, and an absurd mention of the SPFL for a club like Bellshill. And of course if you don't want to be one of the 18 left behind, then simply move over to the WOS... It's not that bad an article. It mentions clubs from lower down the Junior west pecking order which are considering their futures. A number of them hadn't been flagged up here on P&B previously. In any case they have to consider the future before making any move. It also picks up the point about the SFA not being in a position to block a WoS set up by the Lowland League, even if it desired to do so. There's also club reps stating that, in effect, they see the west Juniors as having an uncertain future. Obviously only time will tell. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Marten said: Unsurprisingly, Mr. Ronney can't back up any of his claims that the SFA can somehow force the WRJFA in the pyramid with an AGM vote... Most clubs will have picked up on this! edit: Every time Mr Ronney goes onto the media with such comments it under-mines what he seems to be trying to do. Sometimes I wonder if he really does support the efforts of the "enemy" after all? Edited March 10, 2020 by Dev add 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theesel1994 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 10 minutes ago, Dev said: Most clubs will have picked up on this! Maybe one of them might even ask him tonight at the meeting. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 1 hour ago, San Starko Rover said: No chance Brechin will overtake Albion they’ve got 17 points from 27 games, I’d be amazed if they can even catch Albions current points total of 24 as on current points per game they’ll only get 23 and even then they’d need Albion to lose every game. Brechin are a beaten team and they’re going to the playoff. They need to hope Brora/Kelty/Bonnyrigg don’t turn up or they’re heading out the leagues. Saw it mentioned earlier about the West Lothian teams possibly finding the EOSFL is full in the future, that must never happen any club wanting to join meeting the criteria should be accepted. There must be no closed shops and once we have a WOSFL the bottle necks for promotion to the LL and SPFL need to be looked at. Any pyramid should be free flowing with the only hurdles to promotion being minimum ground standards i.e floodlights at Tier 5. Once WOSFL is up and running hopefully the HL/NCL/NRJFA and Tayside clubs can sort something out. Agreed but there may be some total numbers of teams which might be awkward to fit in without wholesale restructuring below the Premier Division, which is what I was getting at. How would teams respond to that in order let in late-comers? I previously suggested the current two East Region south divisions coming in as parallel to divisions one and two next season as a way to integrate them at about the most appropriate level - but could that still happen with conferences now planned? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Starko Rover Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, Dev said: Agreed but there may be some total numbers of teams which might be awkward to fit in without wholesale restructuring below the Premier Division, which is what I was getting at. How would teams respond to that in order let in late-comers? I previously suggested the current two East Region south divisions coming in as parallel to divisions one and two next season as a way to integrate them at about the most appropriate level - but could that still happen with conferences now planned? Yea they'd defiantly need to keep on looking at how the bottom is structured be it single tier, more local parallel tiers or conferences. The EOS seem to be good at this and ultimately let their members make the final decision which is the best way. I know a few on here are against the conferences at tier 7 again next season but ultimately accept that it's what the members voted for. hopefully there won't be many more years of large influx of clubs so major changes won't be required. Tier 8 or 9 might want to look at a geographical split to reduce travel for the smaller clubs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superbigal Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 Tonight's meeting the sheep will not baaaaa and the top table will pass their motion for a new league.NAPwill actually be interesting to see if some club reps are not mute. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Pub League Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 What times the meeting, need to know when to have my popcorn ready for the P&B/Twitter meltdowns. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doonhamer1969 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 7 hours ago, LongTimeLurker said: The EoS have not been accepting applications from north of the Tay Bridge boundary, so Lochee are probably in limbo in pyramid terms at the moment given Tayside clubs have not been part of the recent north pyramid negotiations. It was previously mentioned on here that EoS had knocked back a Tayside club. For clarity, some Tayside clubs have applied and been refused on geographical grounds ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, San Starko Rover said: Yea they'd defiantly need to keep on looking at how the bottom is structured be it single tier, more local parallel tiers or conferences. The EOS seem to be good at this and ultimately let their members make the final decision which is the best way. I know a few on here are against the conferences at tier 7 again next season but ultimately accept that it's what the members voted for. hopefully there won't be many more years of large influx of clubs so major changes won't be required. Tier 8 or 9 might want to look at a geographical split to reduce travel for the smaller clubs. Yes. The lowest division could do with a regional split if there are enough teams for this to happen. It would make it easier for new teams to make the transition to the pyramid. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doonhamer1969 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 7 hours ago, Robert James said: Yes "geographical identity" is the LL's mantra for the West, and has already been adhered to in the East. However the Luncarty/Tayport situation may challenge the boundary principle/rule ? ****** As an aside, Brechin may not finish the season as Club 42. The current situation is : Albion Rovers 26 - 24 (10 games to play,including Cove once, & Edinburgh City twice) Brechin City 27 - 17 (9 games to play, but 'easier' fixtures 'on paper') Did you put a bet on Brechin avoiding the drop ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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