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6 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

Here's a twitter poll result of the fans of WRJFA clubs, with a decent sample of 588, that probably reflects reasonably accurately how entry to the pyramid is viewed.

Would you prefer your club to move into pyramid with or without SJFA?
With SJFA 43.5%
Without SJFA 42.9%
Just not at all 13.6%
588 votes · Final results

 I read it as an acceptance that an overwhelming number of clubs will eventually opt for pyramid entry, although half of them would still like to see them enter as one. 

Yes - if you did that poll a year ago canvassing the ERJFA clubs it would probably have generated similar results.

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58 minutes ago, cmontheloknow said:

https://pollokfc.com/2020/02/19/club-statement-2/

The Lok statement has landed.

An excerpt being:

I was hoping for something stronger than that tbh, quite disappointing. Pollok should be well placed to take the lead given they aren't located in a "Junior heartland" and the nature of the support is more floating and second teamy than a lot of the Errshur villages.

Maybe I'm biased since I live a hop, skip and a jump away and Ich Bin Ein Pyramider.

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Any West Premier team leaving? Unless they come up with a believable solution fast I can't see any West Premier team staying. Every statement has indicated the club are considering leaving if others go. Not one has said they are staying put regardless.

Sorry i meant staying!!

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I was hoping for something stronger than that tbh, quite disappointing. Pollok should be well placed to take the lead given they aren't located in a "Junior heartland" and the nature of the support is more floating and second teamy than a lot of the Errshur villages.
Maybe I'm biased since I live a hop, skip and a jump away and Ich Bin Ein Pyramider.



Lokloyal will be along shortly to tell you that all Pollok fans support Pollok and no one else.

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3 hours ago, cmontheloknow said:

And perhaps relocate their town below THE LINE, wherever it may be at that time!

yes totally agree, Elgin would go into the highland league so it would not happen for any West team

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In the Juniors any new applicant has their ground looked at months in advance of the AGM and knows if their ground is up to scratch. What was the process in the East two years ago. Although, I suppose a club could apply and leave off resigning from the Juniors until as late as possible.

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It’s good to hear pollok are on board.

Them keeping the hand out to the SJFA is just trying to protect themselves if something utterly mental comes out.

They wanted the SJFA to succeed and heard all the talk from them but then fight night came and they’ve watched them come in unprepared and arrogant against the young upstarts, they watched them lose the first few rounds but thought surely they’ll come back but they never did, the SJFA spent the next few rounds on the defensive, struggling. And now as the fight comes to a close the LL have landed what looks to be a knockout blow. They’re on the canvas and the count is at 9...  The clubs are ready to leave but should the miracle happen they are keeping themselves in the position to claim they always were on their side.

Edited by parsforlife

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3 minutes ago, parsforlife said:

It’s good to hear pollok are on board.

Them keeping the hand out to the SJFA is just trying to protect themselves if something utterly mental comes out.

They wanted the SJFA to succeed and heard all the talk from them but then fight night came and they’ve watched them come in unprepared and arrogant against the young upstarts, they watched them lose the first few rounds but thought surely they’ll come back but they never did, the SJFA spent the new few rounds on the defensive, struggling. And now as the fight comes to a close the LL have landed what looks to be a knockout blow. There’re on the canvas and the count is at 9...  The clubs are ready to leave but should the miracle happen they are keeping themselves in the position to claim they always were on their side.

Lovely prose. Ellipsis and everything!

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2 hours ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:


Can you actually see any west premier team leaving? I know for a fact just about every club has been in about it like a dug eating beetroot.

ffs Inanimate Carbon Rod, why did you have to say that about beetroot, I dont know this.
I'm watching two dogs Friday evening, I need to see if this beetroot thing works.

Someone mentioned about Pollok taking the lead. Pollok are just going with the flow, they're not taking the lead, they are looking at every avenue and making sure they are covering bases while not falling foul of any side incase it doesn't happen etc...  Even the die hard fans know that it may happen but they certainly don't want to be left behind if it does happen, that much is true.

Edited by Bestsinceslicebread

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Looks like there will be a lot of EGMs or supporters/shareholders meetings during March once the application forms come out.

Shame Pollok haven't put their statement on Facebook so we can see the reaction.

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9 hours ago, Marten said:

Maybe they'd want to go for an 18 team LL after that, with all clubs having floodlights that should be possible. 

For a couple of years, I have been advocating increasing the Lowland League from 16 to 18 clubs, to coincide with the West juniors joining the pyramid. I still of the opinion that this would be a positive change.

The advantages  are

(1)  by increasing the number of LL clubs to 18,  would be attractive to ambitious clubs seeking promotion from Tier 6, and it would reduce the potential log-jam, when the WoSL is up and running in the pyramid

(2) at present, 15 LL clubs are safe** from relegation from Tier 5 to Tier 6 each season, whereas in an 18 club structure, 16 Tier 5 clubs would be safe from relegation** to Tier 6 each season

(3) additional revenue would be received by each club, from having 34 league games per season, rather than 30, as at present.  Until this season, the Highland League has had 18 clubs, playing 34 league matches per season, without too much difficulty.

 

** except when the HFL champion club, replaces Club 42, from the lowland region (as per existing Tier 4/Tier 5 rules) , would gain an extra club (at tier 6) 

Edited by Robert James
typo error

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For a couple of years, I have been advocating increasing the Lowland League from 16 to 18 clubs, to coincide with the West juniors joining the pyramid. I still of the opinion that this would be a positive change.
The advantages  are
(1)  by increasing the number of LL clubs to 18,  would be attractive to ambitious clubs seeking promotion from Tier 6, and it would reduce the potential log-jam, when the WoSL is up and running in the pyramid
(2) at present, 15 LL clubs are safe** from relegation each season, whereas in an 18 club structure, only 16 clubs would be relegated** each season
(3) additional revenue would be received by each club, from having 34 league games per season, rather than 30, as at present.  Until this season, the Highland League has had 18 clubs, playing 34 league matches per season, without too much difficulty.
 
** except when the HFL champion club, replaces Club 42, from the lowland region (as per existing Tier 4/Tier 5 rules) , would gain an extra club (at tier 6) 


16 clubs relegated that seems excessive

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1 minute ago, San Starko Rover said:

 


16 clubs relegated that seems excessive emoji23.png

 

 

Apologies for the typo. You will see my "edit" above your post !!!

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29 minutes ago, Robert James said:

(3) additional revenue would be received by each club, from having 34 league games per season, rather than 30, as at present.  

 

Increased revenue from 2 more home games, increased costs from 2 more away games.

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As if this moment, the Lowland has no intentions of expanding from 16. We’ll see what happens in future.

I’m currently writing a piece on the situation as things stand - will share in here when released on Pure Fitbaw. Got input from the Ants, Kilwinning, Bonnyrigg, Kilbirnie and George Fraser so are least it’ll be better researched than a certain red top!

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8 hours ago, San Starko Rover said:

 

 


16 clubs relegated that seems excessive emoji23.png

 

There was proposals in the 30s (I think) in England that the bottom half of each league would be relegated and the top half of the league below brought up (or it might have been the bottom half and the top half of the league below put up for the election/re-election vote in the days before automatic relegation)

No better time to try it out than now. Will be a great laugh.

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9 hours ago, parsforlife said:

It’s good to hear pollok are on board.

Them keeping the hand out to the SJFA is just trying to protect themselves if something utterly mental comes out.

They wanted the SJFA to succeed and heard all the talk from them but then fight night came and they’ve watched them come in unprepared and arrogant against the young upstarts, they watched them lose the first few rounds but thought surely they’ll come back but they never did, the SJFA spent the next few rounds on the defensive, struggling. And now as the fight comes to a close the LL have landed what looks to be a knockout blow. They’re on the canvas and the count is at 9...  The clubs are ready to leave but should the miracle happen they are keeping themselves in the position to claim they always were on their side.

B+

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spoke to 4 of my lok mates who go home & away to every game

for many a long yr (over 45 ) would be sad to leave the JUNIORS

had many a great time watching the GRADE.

but we are all in agreement that the JUNIOR grade has been downgraded

by the bigger east teams leaving.   ie the junior cup is now a glorified  west of scotland cup

so no romance now compared to previous years + not testing ourselves against another region

plus imo the amalgamation of central /ayrshire  has not brought any benefits 

except racking up car miles to sunny ayrshire compared to sunny lanarkshire

we move on with the times

by the way my parents said i  was conceived in elgin

so obviously they didnt go  to the match on a tues night 

if they did i might not be here lol

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Just wondering if there is any room for a compromise at this late stage.

1. WRJFA hold an EGM in the next couple of weeks. Declare that the league proposes to withdraw from the SJFA for 2020/21 season and applies to the WoSFL as a whole keeping its 4 divisions intact in the process.

2. Their clubs retain associate membership of the SJFA enabling them to enter the Junior Cup for 2020/21.

3. Other senior clubs in the HL, LL, EoSFL and SoSFL can apply for associate membership of the SJFA enabling them to enter the Junior Cup for 2020/21.

4. TJ and the SJFA Committee show some flexibility and common sense for the good of the Scottish semi-professional game and not continue to act as an obstacle to progress.

Could this act as a template or "has the horse already bolted"?

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