Junior football, what is the future?

[nicotina]

tj = tiery junior

[jimbaxters]

1 hour ago, Pyramidic said:

Nice try Alan! IMO there are so many clubs about to move to the WoSFL it would be a more profitable use of time to list those clubs that will be remaining within the rump WRJFA.

I will start you off with No.1 St Anthony's. Really interested to see what you or anyone else can come up with.

What's this "rump" business?

[glensmad]

[Burnie_man]

What's this "rump" business?

Well there's a lot at steak.

[Doonhamer1969]

3 hours ago, AlanCamelonfan said:

Having a Guess who maybe involved in WOSFL next season (no means neccesarilly to be correct)

1. Bonnyton Thistle

2. Glasgow UNI

3. Kilwinning Rangers

4. Auchinleck Talbot

5. Pollok

6. Irvine Meadow

7. Clydebank

8. Glenafton

9. Rossvale

10. Beith Juniors

11. Hurlford

12. Cumnock

13. Troon

14. Kilbirnie

15. Benburb

16. Rob Roy

17. Glencairn

18. Largs Thistle

19. Darvel Juniors

20. Renfrew

21. Arthurlie

22. Whitletts Vics

23. Gartcairn

24. Petershill

25. St Rochs

26. Maryhill

27. Girvan

28. Yoker

That would be 2 leagues of 14 and their could be more

So, on current league positions (ignoring games in hand and factoring in normal promotion and relegation), WoS Premier (16 teams) is teams 1-14 (except 2) and teams 18-20, with the rest forming a 12 team WoS 1st.

Simples.

No need for complicated conference pish.

[BigBadBassRock]

40 minutes ago, jimbaxters said:

What's this "rump" business?

There's a new league coming. We want to know who is going to fillet.

[cmontheloknow]

11 minutes ago, BigBadBassRock said:

There's a new league coming. We want to know who is going to fillet.

This thread has had it's fair share of bull. Will be good to see some meat on t-bone.

[FairWeatherFan]

22 minutes ago, Doonhamer1969 said:

So, on current league positions (ignoring games in hand and factoring in normal promotion and relegation), WoS Premier (16 teams) is teams 1-14 (except 2) and teams 18-20, with the rest forming a 12 team WoS 1st.

Simples.

No need for complicated conference pish.

Two equal Conferences of 14-14 with 28 teams seems a lot simpler than coming up with a 16-12 set up .

[Pyramidic]

1 hour ago, jimbaxters said:

What's this "rump" business?

 

a small or unimportant remnant of something originally larger.

"once the profitable enterprises have been sold the unprofitable rump will be left"

 

or

 

“the rear end - the buttocks”

[Doonhamer1969]

16 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:

Two equal Conferences of 14-14 with 28 teams seems a lot simpler than coming up with a 16-12 set up .

Simpler ,yes, but 16-12 avoids any unnecessary extra relegation or denial of promotion from the existing West structure to accommodate Bonnyton.

Re conferences, why the hell should West Champ, League 1 and 2 teams suddenly achieve parity with the current West Premiership teams ??

Conferences are just a recipe for severe humpings.

My evidence consists of just one item , m'lud.

Hill o Beath 16 Tweedmouth 0

I rest my case.

Edited February 25, 2020 by Doonhamer1969

[never been to scotland]

1 minute ago, Doonhamer1969 said:

Simpler ,yes, but 16-12 avoids any unnecessary extra relegation or denial of promotion to accommodate Bonnyton from the existing West structure.

Re conferences, why the hell should West Champ, League 1 and 2 teams suddenly achieve parity with the current West Premiership teams ??

Conferences are just a recipe for severe humpings.

My evidence consists of just one item , m'lud.

Hill o Beath 16 Tweedmouth 0

I rest my case.

I'd only favour tiered leagues if just junior clubs applied. Why should anyone else that applies go to the bottom of the structure below teams they have never competed against?

[Doonhamer1969]

1 minute ago, never been to scotland said:

I'd only favour tiered leagues if just junior clubs applied. Why should anyone else that applies go to the bottom of the structure below teams they have never competed against?

Fair point, but how many non juniors will there actually be ?

Bonnyton and a couple of amateur teams, possibly.

Amateur teams aren't going to insist on parity with teams who have won the Junior Cup, competed (often well) in the Scottish Cup etc etc.

[Pyramidic]

1 hour ago, glensmad said:

 

I am not sure what “future set up for our grade of football” is meant to tackle.

I suppose it is the future plans for those few clubs that will be left in the rump WRJFA.

Does not sound very appetising to me.

[FairWeatherFan]

1 minute ago, Doonhamer1969 said:

Fair point, but how many non juniors will there actually be ?

Bonnyton and a couple of amateur teams, possibly.

Amateur teams aren't going to insist on parity with teams who have won the Junior Cup, competed (often well) in the Scottish Cup etc etc.

Its not exactly the amateurs that will care. Its the Premiership sides and Championship sides that are hovering around the promotion and relegation spots that will fancy their chances of making the WoS Tier 6 league in 2021-22 with Conferences, as well as any other side that fancy a crack at it.

[Doonhamer1969]

10 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:

Its not exactly the amateurs that will care. Its the Premiership sides and Championship sides that are hovering around the promotion and relegation spots that will fancy their chances of making the WoS Tier 6 league in 2021-22 with Conferences, as well as any other side that fancy a crack at it.

Which they can equally make in 2021-22 by winning the new Tier 7 WoS First Division.

[FairWeatherFan]

Just now, Doonhamer1969 said:

Which they can equally make in 2021-22 by winning the new Tier 7 WoS First Division.

Or by finishing Top 5-8 in whatever kind of Conference they're in. Which is easier?

[Blackie Gold]

4 hours ago, not man of the match said:

A conversation with another Bankies fan I met on the bus. He reckoned that conferences or similar would follow a season down the line or beyond but it was purely about getting a WoSL up and running.

I don’t speak with committee men or the like so the only info I tend to get is on here or speaking to the odd person at a game or in passing through the town.

[cmontheloknow]

Lochgelly have gone too.

Their facebook has:

Club Announcement

Further to the meeting of the East Region Junior Football Association, held on Tuesday 18th February 2020, and following meetings with the Board of Management, and the Playing Staff of Lochgelly Albert, it has been decided that we will be resigning from the ERSJFA at the end of this current season, with the intention to apply to join the East of Scotland Football Association/League for the beginning of next season (2020/21).

Lochgelly Albert has been a member of the Scottish Junior Football Association since 1933, playing our first game against Kirkford Juniors, on 29th July that year, therefore this is not a decision which has been taken lightly.

We, like other Fife clubs, have been a strong advocate of local football, as this has been the lifeblood of the Junior game for many years, we have also remained committed to the ERSJFA during the difficult past two years, a period which has seen many of our local clubs move to the East of Scotland Football League.

With the recent announcements from other Fife clubs that they would be making an application to join the East of Scotland Football League, we felt that the timing was now right for Lochgelly Albert to make the same move.

Hopefully this will mean an opportunity to renew some of our more traditional rivalries, and also meet new clubs, within the SFA Pyramid System.

We want to record our thanks to all the SJFA and ERSJFA Officials, and other Junior clubs for their help and friendship over many years, and express our sincere wish that the Junior game will continue for years to come.

This is a new and exciting time for our Club, and we hope we can count on the continued support of the local community to make this venture a success.

It is also a good time for new committee members to come on board to assist with the general administration of the Club, so hopefully we can get some volunteers to come forward. Anyone interested should contact the club via our web-site, or speak to an existing committee member.

“By Industry We Prosper”

[Doonhamer1969]

2 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:

Or by finishing Top 5-8 in whatever kind of Conference they're in. Which is easier?

Why pitch teams of hugely unequal ability together, even for one year ? 

They had no choice in the East ,because it was two completely separate systems, so it was the right thing to do.

The new WoS League looks it will have the vast majority of its teams switching over from an existing hierarchical structure, so leave those at the top at the top, middle at the middle, bottom at the bottom.

Auchinleck v Girvan....double figures ?

[cmontheloknow]

So Thornton, Kennoway, Rosyth, Kirkcaldy and now Lochgelly have announced their departures. What is the story with Newburgh and Lochore? Surely to follow now?

It's funny to see a few statements refer to the ERSJFA meeting. The Fife clubs all take it as a hint to leave, the Lothians to stay...? Are they glad to be getting a wee local league all to themselves with no travel over the devilish Queensferry Crossing?