Bestsinceslicebread Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 1 minute ago, theesel1994 said: Maybe they think they're not going to go up to Lowland League anyway and looking at the clubs that could be in WoSL they think there might be better crowds? Yeah sorry, I didn't expand my post. That's the only reason why any team would leave the SOS to join a new WOS with the potential of bigger crows home and away 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hip Priest Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 That's the only reason why any team would leave the SOS to join a new WOS with the potential of bigger crows home and awayThey'd have to be stark raven mad. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert James Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 2 hours ago, TheDemon said: So from what i'm hearing, we have at least 5 South of Scotland teams interested; Bonnyton, Threave, Newton, Saints and Mids. With the exception of Bonnyton, fake 'news' IMO, possibly to 'undermine' the potential strength of the WoSL ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cameron Wilson Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 1 hour ago, parsforlife said: I think it’s abit silly really to be comparing our league structure to that of others, if your not looking fully into the details then it’s very easy to draw up odd conclusions. One of the worst(and yet most common) is companion to England. It's silly to compare with England yes. Geography and population are considerably different. But given the shite state of Scotland's national team for many years, having a look at what other countries of similar size and population are doing is exactly what we should be doing IMO. Many other country's pyramids seem to be more pyramid-shaped. We don't have to copy exactly, just see if there's something we have missed or if something works well which we could possibly do. Croatia would be a good place to start. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clash city rocker Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 6 hours ago, glensmad said: As usual Scotland just copied England in that regard, thinking it was trendy and not actually realising the reason that England brought in those names. The 2nd tier in England was called the "Championship" because it was the top tier administered by the English Football League, below the old "Premiership" which was a separate company altogether under the English FA. That wasn't the case in Scotland when we stupidly copied the names, and then the West Region juniors did likewise which was cringeworthy in my opinion. Having the 3rd and 4th tiers of any league system called "League 1" and "League 2" is just stupid, in my opinion. This is the 2nd or 3rd time seen you have a rant over this mate , does your bin in doesn't it Agree 100% find it hilarious and obnoxious at same time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clash city rocker Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 6 hours ago, glensmad said: As usual Scotland just copied England in that regard, thinking it was trendy and not actually realising the reason that England brought in those names. The 2nd tier in England was called the "Championship" because it was the top tier administered by the English Football League, below the old "Premiership" which was a separate company altogether under the English FA. That wasn't the case in Scotland when we stupidly copied the names, and then the West Region juniors did likewise which was cringeworthy in my opinion. Having the 3rd and 4th tiers of any league system called "League 1" and "League 2" is just stupid, in my opinion. This is the 2nd or 3rd time seen you have a rant over this mate , does your bin in doesn't it Agree 100% find it hilarious and obnoxious at same time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Is it expected that there will be applications from reserve teams higher up the pyramid, or is there a rule that would prevent it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 47 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said: Is it expected that there will be applications from reserve teams higher up the pyramid, or is there a rule that would prevent it? As far as I'm aware there are only two pyramid leagues that have rules preventing reserves, the SPFL & Lowland league. Now just because there's no rule doesn't mean reserves have to be accepted if they apply. ICT reserves were rejected on applying to the Highland League last summer. Selkirk reserves were rejected by the EoS a few years ago. Stirling Uni reserves are more of a hangover from the creation of the Lowland. It's really just the SoS that's accepted a few and that's probably down to keeping the league a decent size. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 6 hours ago, Bestsinceslicebread said: Yeah sorry, I didn't expand my post. That's the only reason why any team would leave the SOS to join a new WOS with the potential of bigger crows home and away Progress isn't just defined by going to a higher tier. There's only 16 spots in the Lowland League after all. As a single division the SoS is a mix of clubs that would be at different levels of the pyramid in other circumstances. Look at the EoS heading into next year. Of the 13 "original" EoS clubs you're going to have representation at tier 6,7 and 8 if a Second Division is created. Being in the pyramid means finding your level. Playing against those at your standard and aspiring for higher. Looking at an eventual multi tiered structure in the WoS can provide that. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che Dail Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 6 hours ago, Cameron Wilson said: It's silly to compare with England yes. Geography and population are considerably different. But given the shite state of Scotland's national team for many years, having a look at what other countries of similar size and population are doing is exactly what we should be doing IMO. Many other country's pyramids seem to be more pyramid-shaped. We don't have to copy exactly, just see if there's something we have missed or if something works well which we could possibly do. Croatia would be a good place to start. Croatia ranked 6th in the world, regularly qualify for world cup and european champs Population 4 million. League Structure: T1=10, T2=14, T3= 3 regional leagues of 16. Just copy this(?) Players at: Liverpool, Chelsea, Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern Munich, AC Milan, Inter Milan, Celta Vigo, Wolfsburg We've got Andy Robertson. The league structure serves underperforming clubs and not the actual game, where the national team has been woeful for 20 yrs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 8 hours ago, GordonS said: How seriously should we take that rumour? If true, and they were to leave, it would leave the SOS pretty short. It would leave the SoS gubbed IMO. I realise you could have said the same about the EoS when clubs left for the LL but, if nothing else, it would be the end of it at tier 6. If those clubs were looking to join the WoSFL then they might just end up fully amalgamating the two. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 It would leave the SoS gubbed IMO. I realise you could have said the same about the EoS when clubs left for the LL but, if nothing else, it would be the end of it at tier 6. If those clubs were looking to join the WoSFL then they might just end up fully amalgamating the two.The sensible thing to do if the Dumfries clubs join is to have regional conferences, the southern could be the Dumfries clubs, Glenafton, Girvan, Kello, Talbot, Maybole, Craigmark and Lugar, giving an attractive conference of 12 very local teams in a local league. I believe this was one of the main concerns for some of the folks on here, an ideal solution. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshmallo Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 58 minutes ago, Che Dail said: Croatia ranked 6th in the world, regularly qualify for world cup and european champs Population 4 million. League Structure: T1=10, T2=14, T3= 3 regional leagues of 16. Just copy this(?) Players at: Liverpool, Chelsea, Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern Munich, AC Milan, Inter Milan, Celta Vigo, Wolfsburg We've got Andy Robertson. The league structure serves underperforming clubs and not the actual game, where the national team has been woeful for 20 yrs Croatia aren't ranked 6th in the world because they've regionalised tier 3. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top of Meeks Road Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 I can't imagine any of the SoSL clubs other than Bonnyton Thistle being interested in leaving their current surrounds. Threave were happy to leave the LL, St Cuthbert supposedly delayed necessary upgrades to avoid being licensed in time for a play off while Wigtown, not sure if they are rumoured or not, allegedly contrived to hand the league title to Edusport as promotion would finish them (it actually did lead to temporary abeyance). Crowd numbers are a weak reason given only home receipts are kept while the expansion of the WoSL tiers which will happen would lead to a fairly rapid drop to surrounds very similar to present. Pie in the sky for me. The SoSL is artificially higher up the pecking order than it clearly merits but this anomaly can only be corrected through the creation of the WoSL and its resultant tiers. Long term, the SoSL should be a regionalised tier 7 or 8 as part of the set up in the west. While some clubs might have aspirations of slightly progressing up the pyramid, most ain't interested. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross. Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 8 minutes ago, Marshmallo said: Croatia aren't ranked 6th in the world because they've regionalised tier 3. I think you are looking at it the wrong way. Clearly, Scotland will rise to number 6 in the rankings by reintroducing a 10 team top league. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che Dail Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, Marshmallo said: Croatia aren't ranked 6th in the world because they've regionalised tier 3. How do you know that the way they structure and prioritise football doesn't influence the outcomes for the national team? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshmallo Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Just now, Che Dail said: How do you know that the way they structure and prioritise football doesn't influence the outcomes for the national team? How do you know it does? You've made a claim, the onus is on you to back it up. Correlation =/= causation. I have serious doubts that Elgin moving into a structure that sees them having to travel no further south than Forfar will see them developing players who ascend to the heady heights of Celta Vigo, but if you can show me a regression test which indicates this is statistically significant then more power to you. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted February 18, 2020 Author Share Posted February 18, 2020 2 hours ago, Sergeant Wilson said: Is it expected that there will be applications from reserve teams higher up the pyramid, or is there a rule that would prevent it? I don't think reserve teams are going to be encouraged/accepted, perhaps when things settle down and there are lower tiers to join. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che Dail Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 10 minutes ago, Ross. said: I think you are looking at it the wrong way. Clearly, Scotland will rise to number 6 in the rankings by reintroducing a 10 team top league. And being sarcastic is the right way? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted February 18, 2020 Author Share Posted February 18, 2020 11 hours ago, TheDemon said: So from what i'm hearing, we have at least 5 South of Scotland teams interested; Bonnyton, Threave, Newton, Saints and Mids. I'd be very surprised if this was accurate. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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