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Junior football, what is the future?

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8 minutes ago, Burnie_man said:

There isn't a tier 8.

However let's be absolutely clear here.  West Lothian is an EoS area, and the EoS already has 3 clubs from WL and that will no doubt increase.  There is absolutely no need for a new WoSFL to take clubs from WL when there is already a league for them to join.  They will have more than enough interest from clubs who come from geniuinely west of Scotland areas.  It's a pointless debate as we don't even know if Fauldhouse will even move anywhere!

As was said yesterday, we need to keep this as simple and straightforward as possible.   WRJFA = WoS and ERJFA = EoS. No ambiguity.

These things do need to be thought about though. If the lowland goes to two relegation slots there could be a scenario of two coming down to the EOS and no licensed champion. Would you relegate five?

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2 minutes ago, .Stuart. said:

f**k it, I’ll say it.

I hate the juniors. Who’s with me? emoji23.png

I can't say anything according to him as my country of birth apparently means I'm not allowed an opinion on junior football. Obviously, it's completely irrelevant that I've visited absolutely loads of junior games, support a junior club and watched more junior football than any other grade .

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4 minutes ago, never been to scotland said:

These things do need to be thought about though. If the lowland goes to two relegation slots there could be a scenario of two coming down to the EOS and no licensed champion. Would you relegate five?

Presumably if west champion wasnt licensed only 1 would come down. Same as now noone comes down from lowland league if no licence champions 

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Think it's significant this is being brought clearly under the LL with the wosfl email address disavowed as a point of contact. It's important people grasp that this wouldn't be a new league but a new division or divisions in an existing one, if it launches next season. The idea that the SFA can somehow block this from happening needs to be clearly false or some people are going to believe it and repeat it as if it were fact.

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1 minute ago, AlanCamelonfan said:

Presumably if west champion wasnt licensed only 1 would come down. Same as now noone comes down from lowland league if no licence champions 

But there could be 2 licensed champs in the other leagues. Filling the spots. It all gets very complex when there are more outcomes involved.

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3 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said:

Think it's significant this is being brought clearly under the LL with the wosfl email address disavowed as a point of contact. It's important people grasp that this wouldn't be a new league but a new division or divisions in an existing one, if it launches next season. The idea that the SFA can somehow block this from happening needs to be clearly false or some people are going to believe it and repeat it as if it were fact.

Very good point.

Its being done this way as the path of least resistance - all that’s required now are applicant clubs.

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9 minutes ago, never been to scotland said:

These things do need to be thought about though. If the lowland goes to two relegation slots there could be a scenario of two coming down to the EOS and no licensed champion. Would you relegate five?

These circumstances do need to be covered and yes in an extreme example you might have to, but I doubt there will ever likely be an unlicenced EoS Champion again and I don't think the LL will go to 2 relegation spots until the WoSFL gets some licenced clubs under its belt.

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3 minutes ago, never been to scotland said:

But there could be 2 licensed champs in the other leagues. Filling the spots. It all gets very complex when there are more outcomes involved.

What other leagues. Their is 3 leagues and if theirs two go up. These things already happen in the Pyramid. It's no big tam and the joonyurs cocking it up 

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16 minutes ago, Burnie_man said:

I genuinely worry for this guys mental health

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A seething mess - He caught the WoSFL delegation leaving Hampden earlier in Rod Petrie's car:

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Re: dividing lines for Fauldhouse/Bonnyton/Kello (and possible others) it is not anywhere near the issue it is for North of the Tay clubs in the EoS. It'd be farcical for, say, Lochee to win the EoS Premier and get promoted to the HL. The destination is the same for these clubs: the LL. So the odd outlier wouldn't be the end of the world. England managed it for years with Southern/Isthmian leagues. Bit of a non story really. If hard borders were put in place in future you could let clubs remain in their league until promotion/relegation to/from the LL decides their fate but that's a long way off

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2 minutes ago, AlanCamelonfan said:

What other leagues. Their is 3 leagues and if theirs two go up. These things already happen in the Pyramid. It's no big tam and the joonyurs cocking it up 

Assume a three way play off between WOS EOS and SOS for 2 spots as discussed on here as a potential scenario. EOS club misses out. 2 east region clubs relegated (possibly 3 if lowland has a surplus). EOS then has to relegate its usual 3 + an additional 2/3 if no lateral movement takes place. Up to 6/16 go down from the EOS.

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13 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said:

Think it's significant this is being brought clearly under the LL with the wosfl email address disavowed as a point of contact. It's important people grasp that this wouldn't be a new league but a new division or divisions in an existing one, if it launches next season. The idea that the SFA can somehow block this from happening needs to be clearly false or some people are going to believe it and repeat it as if it were fact.

Think that's more about the fact you had a running tally of clubs enquiring and couldn't assure access was solely to representatives from the LL and EoSFL if the account was transferred. Which is why they have to repeat that any enquiry will be treated in the strictest confidence.

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25 minutes ago, ArabAuslander said:

Update:

Confirmed Expressed Interest: Largs, Kilwinning, Darvel, Irvine Meadow, Clydebank, Whitletts Victoria, Rossvale, Rutherglen Glencairn, Maryhill, Glenafton Athletic, Drumchapel United PYM 

Suspected of Expressing Interest: Cumnock, Petershill, Glasgow Uni, Pollok, Bonnyton Thistle, Fauldhouse, Oban Saints, Girvan

Is there any public statement about Oban or Glasgow Uni potentially applying? I really hope they do as I’d love to see more cross-pollination with the amateurs, specifically teams like Dunoon Ams, Rothesay Brandane or even Isle of Arran AFC.

is there any teams in the amateur leagues that could realistically stand a chance of being accepted based on their current state? It would be interesting to see how strong teams from say the Caledonian or SAFL would fare.

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2 minutes ago, never been to scotland said:

Assume a three way play off between WOS EOS and SOS for 2 spots as discussed on here as a potential scenario. EOS club misses out. 2 east region clubs relegated (possibly 3 if lowland has a surplus). EOS then has to relegate its usual 3 + an additional 2/3 if no lateral movement takes place. Up to 6/16 go down from the EOS.

I'm sure they will work it out. Right  now only one comes down

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11 minutes ago, Che Dail said:

A seething mess - He caught the WoSFL delegation leaving Hampden earlier in Rod Petrie's car:

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TAJ going RAJ

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If the WoS is in place for next season, I’d be very surprised not to see two automatic relegation spots in the Lowland.

With three feeder leagues, there can’t realistically be one relegation spot.

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20 minutes ago, Burnie_man said:

These circumstances do need to be covered and yes in an extreme example you might have to, but I doubt there will ever likely be an unlicenced EoS Champion again and I don't think the LL will go to 2 relegation spots until the WoSFL gets some licenced clubs under its belt.

Try to have 16 clubs in the EoS Premier but run with the capacity to have 18.  If extra clubs come down, run at 17 or 18 for a year, and relegate extra clubs at the end to get back to 16.  That way everyone in the EoS knows where the relegation zone will be during the current season.

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clearer explanation

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Think a bit more respect should be shown to any clubs who decide to stay in their current grade, we live in a world with freedom of choice. I’m sure clubs will also be consulting with fans before making some big decisions. Talbot and Glenafton getting some pelters for supporting a potential other outcome. Change is coming and could be exciting times ahead and opportunities for clubs irrespective of what they decide as it could also open doors for clubs at various levels.

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1 minute ago, sdr71 said:

Try to have 16 clubs in the EoS Premier but run with the capacity to have 18.  If extra clubs come down, run at 17 or 18 for a year, and relegate extra clubs at the end to get back to 16.  That way everyone in the EoS knows where the relegation zone will be during the current season.

Fair point.

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