LongTimeLurker Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 1 hour ago, Burnie_man said: ...Both cant be right. Who is wrong? Were Dundonald Bluebell at the meeting in question because of the problem with player eligibility in the cup game, and if they were would Tom Johnston have been the source for the info being relayed here? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted October 6, 2018 Author Share Posted October 6, 2018 Were Dundonald Bluebell at the meeting in question because of the problem with player eligibility in the cup game, and if they were would Tom Johnston have been the source for the info being relayed here?Dunno, there was an EoS general meeting on Thursday night at Linlithgow where an update on the PWG was given. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 So that would be the meeting Blackburn weren't represented at? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted October 6, 2018 Author Share Posted October 6, 2018 So that would be the meeting Blackburn weren't represented at?Correct, think there was a lack of available people to go, but minutes were circulated today. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 In which case I think we can trust the circulated minutes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stulch Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 Who wants to share the EoS minutes then? [emoji23] [emoji6] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted October 6, 2018 Author Share Posted October 6, 2018 In which case I think we can trust the circulated minutes.I have no reason to doubt them, particularly as the EoS have a rep on the PWG. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 So I guess the next step now would be for the SFA board to give their OK? The EoS appeared to be gearing up last season to help in the launch of a WoS division judging from the info that emerged from Kilwinning at one point. The bid by the SJFA to enter the pyramid intact after the survey results were released probably put a stop to that last year, but wouldn't this year if the PWG rejected what the SJFA was proposing: On 3/18/2018 at 22:53, .Stuart. said: Taken from the Kilwinning Rangers FB page. On Friday night we chatted about the current situation in the East with the SJFA and rumours of upto 7 teams leaving the Junior game, new information has been provided by Kelty, it might not be 100% accurate but it's worth sharing, also Kelty have announced an increase in support even though they tend to win every match 10 nil, which was something that was raised at the meeting.The East of Scotland have offered to start a West Division should there be interest, we've been informed that 5 Super Premier teams are currently interested From Kelty What does the East of Scotland Football League have to offer? • Membership of EOSFL which confirms acceptance of and commitment to the pyramid system thereby satisfying a mandatory requirement of being granted a Club Licence. SJFA - No • Automatic entry to the Scottish Cup for Champion Club irrespective of licencing status which will generate a minimum income in excess of £3,000 SJFA - YES • 3 ways of Scottish Cup Entry, EOS & SOS League Champions, Alex Jack Cup Winner, Any Licenced Club SJFA - No • £3,000 Funding towards ground improvements available to all un-licenced clubs looking to gain their SFA Licence. SJFA - No • Up to £10,000 funding as an EOS club available from Scottish Football Partnership towards ground improvements. SJFA - No • Our ambition is to have all Members licenced as soon as possible and thereby automatically in the Scottish Cup every year. SJFA - No • Very likely more promotion places will be available to enter the Lowland League from Tier 6. SJFA - No • Depending on interest from that area a possible West Of Scotland division would be looked at for tier 6. SJFA - Yes • SFA Sports First Aid courses at heavily discounted rates (or free of charge). SFA Licence compliant. SJFA - No • All clubs supplied with a defibrillator and associated training. SFA Licence compliant. SJFA - No • Bespoke personalised first aid bag. SJFA - No • Personal Accident and Liability insurance incl. player to player liability paid for by the League. SFA Licence compliant. SJFA - No (EOS supply all 3 insurances that pass Licence criteria) • Match balls and training balls supplied each season. SJFA - Yes (Matchballs only) • Coaching courses at heavily discounted rates (or free of charge) up to C Licence level. SJFA - Unsure • Prize money for those Clubs finishing in the top four in the league. SJFA - Yes • A sound organisational structure with fixtures issued on a seasonal basis. SJFA - No • In combination with the Scottish Lowland League and the South of Scotland League an U20 development league for the development of a player pathway. SJFA - No • Automatic entry for the U20 team into the Scottish Youth Cup. SJFA - No LOWLAND LEAGUE (added to above) • As it stands winner goes into a play off for promotion to SPFL. SJFA - No • Winner gets automatic entry into the Betfred Cup Group Stage, £17,000 minimum prize money, guaranteed 2 home matches in group also. SJFA - No • Top 4 qualify for Irn Bru Cup, minimum £3,000 Prize money. SJFA - No • Up to £20,000 funding as a LL club available from Scottish Football Partnership towards ground improvements. SJFA - No SJFA • Scottish Junior Cup, £8,000 Prize money for winner . Tier 5/6 No • West region setup although It’s not part of the pyramid. Tier 5/6 No • Local and regional rivalries built over decades. Tier 5/6 In some cases No but will have as it evolves Happy to be corrected on anything here but when you see it written like this it’s shocking the way the SJFA have mismanaged the grade for their member clubs. These innovative and progressional rewards and solid structure of being part of the pyramid and the advantages that went with it was available to all Junior clubs, pity the SJFA chose not to engage. If the SJFA had canvassed their member clubs with all this information on what being part of the pyramid could offer a lot more would I’m sure have wanted to look at integrating as 1 through the SJFA, none of this research was shared with a pros and cons approach out of what now seems like snobbery, scandalous really. It’s at the stage now where it’s either over to the SJFA clubs to take matters into their own hands or put your clubs future and trust in the guys running the SJFA. *this information might not be accrurate and has been copied from another source 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingernuts Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 23 hours ago, edinabear said: I just can't see the current east juniors sitting alongside the east of Scotland. It has to be beneath this and if that is at tier 7/8 then so be it. why. still teams in east juniors who would run up cricket scores against most eos teams. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
never been to scotland Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 8 minutes ago, Gingernuts said: why. still teams in east juniors who would run up cricket scores against most eos teams. All the good teams have left. There would be no justification. There's also the problem of where teams from the Lowland are relegated to when both leagues cover the same footprints. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted October 7, 2018 Author Share Posted October 7, 2018 15 minutes ago, Gingernuts said: why. still teams in east juniors who would run up cricket scores against most eos teams. I don't think they would given that most EoS teams are ex-Junior. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvo Montalbano Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 why. still teams in east juniors who would run up cricket scores against most eos teams. Which current, eligible for promotion to the Lowland League East Juniors side a would run up cricket scores and against which clubs? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 To be fair I think Whitburn and Fauldhouse would probably annihilate Tweedmouth and Hawick RA but those are outliers. If the EoS run with a conference format again at tier 7 beneath the new top 16 division at tier 6 I don't think any newly arriving east region clubs from south of the Tay bridge boundary line could sensibly feel aggrieved. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginaro Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 I notice Montrose Roselea are top of the North Superleague (though Banks O'Dee have games in hand). They now play at Links Park, a licensed ground used in the SPFL - if they kept up their form and had ambitions of moving higher, it would put more pressure on the Highland League to open up promotion/relegation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drs Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 47 minutes ago, Ginaro said: I notice Montrose Roselea are top of the North Superleague (though Banks O'Dee have games in hand). They now play at Links Park, a licensed ground used in the SPFL - if they kept up their form and had ambitions of moving higher, it would put more pressure on the Highland League to open up promotion/relegation. They need to push for it though, said this before when the likes of the Dundee teams were bumping gums that there was nowhere for them to go at the end of last season when the cream left the East Juniors. The Tayside clubs (and indeed the North Juniors) need be pressing for a pyramid structure to cover the North of the country - f they don't push for change then its not going to happen. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclizine Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 35 minutes ago, drs said: They need to push for it though, said this before when the likes of the Dundee teams were bumping gums that there was nowhere for them to go at the end of last season when the cream left the East Juniors. The Tayside clubs (and indeed the North Juniors) need be pressing for a pyramid structure to cover the North of the country - f they don't push for change then its not going to happen. At the moment we're in the situation that the HFL have no reason to consider admitting new teams because there's no-one licenced in the North who's keen. It'd be interesting what would happen in Roselea got licenced and applied for admission (I'm guessing BoD won't as their chairman spat his dummy out earlier). Until this happens, there's no incentive for a North Senior League or whatever to be formed as the HFL can happily continue in its own little world. I could certainly see the potential for Highland/Grampian/Tayside divisions, just nobody up here can be bothered. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackie Gold Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 Nice to see so many non Junior supporting people on a Junior forum talking about senior football. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted October 7, 2018 Author Share Posted October 7, 2018 Nice to see so many non Junior supporting people on a Junior forum talking about senior football.We're talking about the future of Junior football. It's not difficult to comprehend, then again.... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingernuts Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 5 hours ago, never been to scotland said: All the good teams have left. There would be no justification. There's also the problem of where teams from the Lowland are relegated to when both leagues cover the same footprints. nonsense . still plenty teams in juniors far better than a lot of them that left. get the point about relegated teams though. but it happens in other regions and no a problem 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackie Gold Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 22 minutes ago, Burnie_man said: 29 minutes ago, Blackie Gold said: Nice to see so many non Junior supporting people on a Junior forum talking about senior football. We're talking about the future of Junior football. It's not difficult to comprehend, then again.... Why? Nobody that supports a Junior team gives a rats arse. It's the usual suspects going on and on and on. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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