Ginaro Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 2 hours ago, LongTimeLurker said: Three WoS officeholders active in the replies so not looking good for the SJC in 2021-22: You've got the wrong Bamford, the WOS chief is Matt. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy groundhopper Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 Somewhere in the future I think people have to accept that the LL, HL, WOSFL are Senior Leagues now - maybe to keep the Junior Cup going, the amateurs below, are the new 'juniors' sitting under the Senior Leagues. Don't think the majority of ex juniors will be interested once the pyramid settles down. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclizine Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Andy groundhopper said: Somewhere in the future I think people have to accept that the LL, HL, WOSFL are Senior Leagues now - maybe to keep the Junior Cup going, the amateurs below, are the new 'juniors' sitting under the Senior Leagues. Don't think the majority of ex juniors will be interested once the pyramid settles down. Amateurs have their own national cup competition. It's called the Scottish Amateur Cup, oddly enough. Edited April 5, 2021 by Cyclizine 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy groundhopper Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 Yeah I realise that, just trying to see a way of keeping the SJC going IF its needed. Seems a cock up having Senior clubs playing in a Junior Cup that's all. Will the retaining of 'junior' status be at a certain tier downwards ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclizine Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 4 minutes ago, Andy groundhopper said: Yeah I realise that, just trying to see a way of keeping the SJC going IF its needed. Seems a cock up having Senior clubs playing in a Junior Cup that's all. Will the retaining of 'junior' status be at a certain tier downwards ? There's no need to differentiate between senior and junior clubs. There's never been any significant difference between the two "grades". I can see why there might be an argument for the amateur grade to remain, as there is a natural cut off between club football and recreational football, but really we should just do like they did down south nearly 50 years ago and just bin the idea of grades and have one class of footballer. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert James Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 On 04/04/2021 at 14:57, GNU_Linux said: imo that would ultimately come down to whether taking part in said cup would require joining the SJFA or not. There is one other "incentive", for retaining the Junior Cup, ie the winners continue to enter the Scottish Cup. It is anticipated that as more West & East senior clubs become licensed, the incentive for them to enter the SJC, will reduce. Pyramid promotion will be the priority for top/ambitious junior clubs. Within 5 years, most of the clubs who EITHER don't want to obtain an SFA licence, OR can't do so, as it isn't viable (ground, finance, support level, etc, inadequacies).. These smaller clubs, will have an enhanced opportunity to win the Junior Cup, and have entry into the Scottish Cup (alongside the Amateur cup winners). This is probably why Girvan don't enter the SCC, as they are already licensed, and don't need to qualify. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 There won't be a junior cup qualifier spot in the Scottish Cup going forward 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert James Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 14 hours ago, invergowrie arab said: There won't be a junior cup qualifier spot in the Scottish Cup going forward Correct. Longer term, as the former top Junior clubs, no longer maintain SJFA membership, the smaller clubs may wish to keep the SJC as their only route into the Scottish Cup. Not having to play against the former 'junior giants' increases their chance of becoming Junior Cup Winners ..........and the chance of Scottish Cup entry, the following year. However, whether the SFA will allow the (future) Junior Cup winners, to enter the 'senior' cup, has yet to be confirmed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John S Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 No more Junior teams south of Tayport? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 5 hours ago, John S said: No more Junior teams south of Tayport? Dunno, but none outside the pyramid at all by the looks of it, and membership of the SJFA will soon be little more important than of regional associations like the Fife FA. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginaro Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 8 hours ago, John S said: No more Junior teams south of Tayport? No more leagues run by the SJFA south of Tayport, but there are still about 50 SJFA members in the West of Scotland League. Who knows if the West Lothian juniors have kept their membership. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 It would take rule changes at the upcoming SJFA AGM to make that possible so probably not. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marten Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 6 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: It would take rule changes at the upcoming SJFA AGM to make that possible so probably not. Considering they changed the rule for West clubs, I can't see too much objection against a rule change for WL clubs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: It would take rule changes at the upcoming SJFA AGM to make that possible so probably not. Staying in the SJFA is entirely possible if they want it since they're rewriting the Constitution all over again. There was the rule change for it last year, and there's going to be a rule change this year due to the apparent scrapping of the East Region into at least another name. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Marten said: Considering they changed the rule for West clubs, I can't see too much objection against a rule change for WL clubs. The WoS and SJFA had to mutually agree before that happened. If you think the EoS and SJFA will do that anything like as easily then you haven't been paying attention to what has been happening over the last few seasons. Where exactly would SJC games fit into an already very busy programme of EoSFA cup competitions and EoS league fixtures? Edited May 1, 2021 by LongTimeLurker 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marten Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 7 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: The WoS and SJFA had to mutually agree before that happened. If you think the EoS and SJFA will do that anything like as easily then you haven't been paying attention to what has been happening over the last few seasons. Where exactly would SJC games fit into an already very busy programme of EoSFA cup competitions and EoS league fixtures? EOS and SJFA are already talking to each other about the ML/EOS boundary. And from what I know, those discussions are going amicably. Let's not forget that the people in charge of the SJFA now aren't the same ones as when the SJFA tried to get ERJFA / WRJFA in at tier 6 previously. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 7 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: The WoS and SJFA had to mutually agree before that happened. If you think the EoS and SJFA will do that anything like as easily then you haven't been paying attention to what has been happening over the last few seasons. Where exactly would SJC games fit into an already very busy programme of EoSFA cup competitions and EoS league fixtures? I'm pretty sure who the SJFA admits as members is entirely there own business. They can have anyone they want. Scheduling of any competition they want to run is entirely a different matter and it doesn't look likely any senior league will give them much space for weekend fixtures. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 9 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: The WoS and SJFA had to mutually agree before that happened. If you think the EoS and SJFA will do that anything like as easily then you haven't been paying attention to what has been happening over the last few seasons. Where exactly would SJC games fit into an already very busy programme of EoSFA cup competitions and EoS league fixtures? The EoSFL never stopped the likes of HoB signing up for the Fife FA. Which is the kind of comparison everyone made to the WoSFL clubs when retaining their SJFA memberships. Scheduling of the SJFA Cup is the concern of the SJFA. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patriot1 Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 Not one Fife team retained their SJFA membership last year and I haven’t seen any mention in the statements from this year’s entrants to say that they are staying in the SJFA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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