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Junior football, what is the future?


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2 hours ago, LongTimeLurker said:

So before this gets derailed by the usual tirade of ad hominens, WoS club involvement appears to be happening in 2020-21 to complete the 2019-20 SJC. Given a majority of WoS clubs retained their SJFA membership and a majority within WoS will be able to appoint league officeholders and modify league rules in the not too distant future, where things are heading with regards to the SJC remains an open question.

The majority of WOSFL clubs (63/67) signed up for the league knowing they could continue to participate in the Junior Cup if they wished.

There's nothing in the current rules that prevent it and the Junior Cup has already been amended to allow for it.

Why is there the need for further rule changes for something that's already been allowed to happen? :huh:

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11 hours ago, Junior_Arab said:

I thought Broughty voted to null & void last season’s league (although I’m prepared to be corrected on that)? Would that not then mean they should withdraw from all games that fall within the timeframe of that season, like the 19-20 Scottish Cup, according to your logic? 

That is a fairly bizarre take on the situation. Null and void was the overwhelming winner when clubs were asked their thoughts on how to end the season. Three teams were still fighting it out for the title at the time so despite the seethe from Carnoustie it was the right decision. The 19-20 SJC should probably have been binned as well but the SJFA decided they wanted to finish it and all 6 teams left in it were in agreement. That was decided before Talbot and Pollok pulled out of this season. To be honest, if they want to play in the cup and the beaks are happy to let them then fair fucks to them. Just don't think a wee team from the east would have been given the same opportunity. Probably matters not a jot because looking at the team Darvel have put together since the first game in March, we have very little chance of getting past them. We played them off the park down there and missed our chance. 

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17 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:

The majority of WOSFL clubs (63/67) signed up for the league knowing they could continue to participate in the Junior Cup if they wished.

There's nothing in the current rules that prevent it and the Junior Cup has already been amended to allow for it.

Why is there the need for further rule changes for something that's already been allowed to happen? :huh:

^^^just so this failure to comprehend what is going on doesn't derail the thread any further, most people should have grasped from the posts above that what was being responded to was the relative priority of SJC games compared to WoS league and SCC ones. Once WoS clubs start electing their own league officeholders and are deciding on changes to their rulebook by majority member votes at their AGM that could change and the WoS could essentially morph back into the west region again with prime fixture dates being allocated to the SJC.

There's a reason why the hardcore pyramidistas on here wanted the WoS to be a new breakaway league with a rump west region left in the SJFA. The SFA has already forced the LL to use the 2019-20 west superleague as the basis for forming the 2020-21 WoS premier rather than having four parallel conferences. The agenda on pyramid matters is no longer being set by the LL and EoS to the extent it was previously. Hopefully common sense will prevail and the SCC and SJC will be merged into something bigger and better than either can currently provide.

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4 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said:

^^^just so this failure to comprehend what is going on doesn't derail the thread any further, most people should have grasped from the posts above that what was being responded to was the relative priority of SJC games compared to WoS league and SCC ones. Once WoS clubs start electing their own league officeholders and are deciding on changes to their rulebook by majority member votes at their AGM that could change and the WoS could essentially morph back into the west region again with prime fixture dates being allocated to the SJC.

There's no failure to comprehend. You have a tinfoil hat theory that there's a cabal within the WoSFL that might be able to flip things back to the way things were. Which entirely defeats the purpose of the compromises that were  made on both sides to allow WoSFL clubs to continue to participate in the SJC from within the pyramid.

Prime fixture space goes to the actual Scottish Cup of which already know WoSFL clubs are working on their licences. Then the league because the LL Pyramid Play-off dates are set by the LL board. Everything else is looking for space at that point. There is no going back.

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HibeeJibee and co definitey seem to have been eager to run the SCC this season in a way that will unnecessarily complicate getting the tier 5 and 6 leagues finished in time for a promotion playoff and made a full 2020-21 SJC involving WoS clubs impossible. Broughty have floodlights so midweek for the outstanding 2019-20 game isn't mission impossible.

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Darvel have fixtures scheduled on Saturdays until 1st May (with at least one postponement to come for the SCC) so unless something changes or they play Broughty midweek the Junior Cup won't be played for 6 months.

Darvel are installing floodlights so they might play some league games midweek which could free up a Saturday for the trip to Broughty
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1 hour ago, Killie65 said:


Darvel are installing floodlights so they might play some league games midweek which could free up a Saturday for the trip to Broughty

We've got floodlights so midweek is an option but it's a fair trek for a Tuesday or a Wednesday night.

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2 hours ago, LongTimeLurker said:

HibeeJibee and co definitey seem to have been eager to run the SCC this season in a way that will unnecessarily complicate getting the tier 5 and 6 leagues finished in time for a promotion playoff and made a full 2020-21 SJC involving WoS clubs impossible. Broughty have floodlights so midweek for the outstanding 2019-20 game isn't mission impossible.

Not sure how much credit HJ deserves since Richard Osborne is the secretary for the SCC and its committee has equal representation from the leagues. Due to all the leagues involved it's the one competition that requires the most discussion and preparation which is one of the reasons it came first. Especially at a time when the Scottish Cup was looking to be restricted to just 10 non-league teams.

Financially it doesn't split gates, the competition committee doesn't take money except from the final, and travel guarantees are paid by the competition committee. So playing BCD didn't impact the running of the cup that much. I don't think the SJC ever entered into their thoughts.

On the other hand anyone could tell there would be a struggle to get a 2020-21 SJC going without fans.

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3 hours ago, Killie65 said:

Darvel are installing floodlights so they might play some league games midweek which could free up a Saturday for the trip to Broughty

Good to see they've now applied for planning permission.

Though a midweek game would presumably require the other teams to agree to move and/or the WOSFL to schedule a free Saturday for them?

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Given Livingston United are likely to reduce the East Region Premiership South to 12 teams next season, some clubs could decide to make the same move - I wonder if they will be allowed to retain their SJFA membership to compete in the Junior Cup like those in the west?

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1 hour ago, Ginaro said:

Given Livingston United are likely to reduce the East Region Premiership South to 12 teams next season, some clubs could decide to make the same move - I wonder if they will be allowed to retain their SJFA membership to compete in the Junior Cup like those in the west?

I don't think it'd be the case out east as the west region as a block was much stronger in terms of size/stature & also getting the west on board was seen as major piece of completing the pyramid jigsaw.

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15 minutes ago, GNU_Linux said:

I don't think it'd be the case out east as the west region as a block was much stronger in terms of size/stature & also getting the west on board was seen as major piece of completing the pyramid jigsaw.

I wouldn't rule it out based on past experiences. There's a new broom after all.

It was a missed opportunity not to offer the same chance of remaining in the SJFA to those clubs that left to join the EoSFL this year. Although that was probably done to save the East Region as why else would the Southern section teams in particular remain where they are at that point.

I suppose the key thing is for any clubs leaving the East Region to actually ask the question. As it's obviously not something that has bothered the last intake or Livingston United.

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Can imagine that there will be plenty of clubs who wish to stay at Junior level, so long as clubs can progress and move through the leagues. Always be  clubs who won't be able to spend financially to get grounds improved etc, or don't wish to go Senior. Maybe some of the amateurs could make the step up ? 

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