AML67 Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 8 minutes ago, Marshmallo said: You may be right, so why not have it as a regional league within the WoS structure with a pathway for those clubs who do have an apetite and the means to progress? Regionalised would clearly be a better option although not necessarily to everyone’s liking ! Scottish Cup trips I can assure you are in general extortionate affairs with little chance realistically of success although they are usually the highlight of the calendar and I’d encourage everyone to go for a License if they can. The longest trip for us currently are around 150 miles to Sanquhar for the Nithsdale match and although it’s perfectly acceptable it’s not something anyone financially really needs on a week in week out basis and it’ll be the same for those at the opposite reaches of the South region ( Uppers , Caley Braves and at the time Bonnyton etc ) coming this way to ourselves , Creetown , Wigtown and add another 50 round trip to Stranraer. We actually relished the thought of the new West it was an incredibly exciting option but in all fairness at this moment in time wasn’t the best move for the Club or our young team - another couple of Seasons in the South gaining experience and who knows what the future might hold ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AML67 Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 8 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said: The very last critieria for entry to the EoSFL. I meant coat hangers actually believe it or not 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert James Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 15 hours ago, Sergeant Wilson said: It's one revelation after another! "Stupid boy" Wilson 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 If the SoS was to drop down a tier and become a feeder to the WoS Premier I presume it would remain, practically, a D&G league. So the argument about the quality of the league and the area/population it covers would still remain if the other feeder covered Lanarkshire, Clydeside and Ayrshire (plus, potentially, Argyll). Would you then see tier 7 in the West being split to Central/Ayrshire/South? It doesn't really answer the questions people have about its placing. Just moves those questions down a tier. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert James Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 15 hours ago, superbigal said: The lowland league were very clear about maintaining integrity of a clear geographical boundary for the new territory. Presumably for them to keep to this statement the 2 anomalies may need to be "persuaded" to move in due course? If someone can almost draw a line between the south west and east, how far into the wrong territory would the 2 teams be ? Are you referring to Kello and Bonnyton ? Or another club(s) ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Robert James said: Are you referring to Kello and Bonnyton ? Or another club(s) ? I'm guessing the two would have been Bonnyton and Caledonian Braves SoS. There's just one to consider now and a reserve side that can't be promoted is hardly a pressing concern. Edited April 7, 2020 by FairWeatherFan 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 Just now, FairWeatherFan said: I'm guessin the two would have been Bonnyton and Caledonian Braves SoS. There's just one now. Have the WoSFL not said no reserve teams? Braves B couldn't move over even if they wanted to 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 1 minute ago, AsimButtHitsASix said: Have the WoSFL not said no reserve teams? Braves B couldn't move over even if they wanted to From what has been said the WoSFL are not accepting reserve sides. Certainly not this first season. Going forward that's obviously going to be a matter for the membership to consider if clubs try to apply for a reserve team. There's also been mention from Lowland Team that there might be a rule put in place that there must be at least a division between any 1st and 2nd team. That way it wouldn't have as significant knock on effects to promotion/relegation if the first team was relegated. Which if true would force Caledonian Braves SoS out of the SoSFL as well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyramidic Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 (edited) 29 minutes ago, AML67 said: Regionalised would clearly be a better option although not necessarily to everyone’s liking ! Scottish Cup trips I can assure you are in general extortionate affairs with little chance realistically of success although they are usually the highlight of the calendar and I’d encourage everyone to go for a License if they can. The longest trip for us currently are around 150 miles to Sanquhar for the Nithsdale match and although it’s perfectly acceptable it’s not something anyone financially really needs on a week in week out basis and it’ll be the same for those at the opposite reaches of the South region ( Uppers , Caley Braves and at the time Bonnyton etc ) coming this way to ourselves , Creetown , Wigtown and add another 50 round trip to Stranraer. We actually relished the thought of the new West it was an incredibly exciting option but in all fairness at this moment in time wasn’t the best move for the Club or our young team - another couple of Seasons in the South gaining experience and who knows what the future might hold ! Will Newton Stewart (and other ambitious SoSFL clubs) in the future be faced with the issue of contravening "geographical integrity" and not be permitted to make sideway moves to the WoSFL? The SoSFL hold a very strong bargaining chip and are on an equal footing with the EoSFL and emerging WoSFL and you may well find that by not taking advantage of the current window you have allowed the door to close. Edited April 7, 2020 by Pyramidic 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stag Nation Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 41 minutes ago, AML67 said: Share your inside info with us ....... who are we talking about here ? I’ve said previously near 200 mile round trips aren’t too appealing for Clubs on limited budgets but hey as you say it may happen and one day soon once all the voting power shifts ! The only shift in voting power will be that the WoSFL will have a seat on the SFA's Non-Professional Game Board. Exactly the same voting power as the SoS. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morley Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, edinabear said: It's totally unsustainable for the SofS to remain at Tier 6. I would expect that to change in the next couple of years. How many in the SofS actually want to get promoted? 2-3 at most? I think once the couple of current SoS members in the lowland league (Dalbeattie and if Gretna decide if they are an EOS or SoS side), get relegated from the LL, then it will be something that can be looked at. Thats assuming no other SoS side wins a promotion into the LL via the playoff in that time, although unlikely. It would just not be fair to expect a club to drop 2 tiers if relegated from the LL. Edited April 7, 2020 by morley 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 13 minutes ago, Pyramidic said: Will Newton Stewart (and other ambitious SoSFL clubs) in the future be faced with the issue of contravening "geographical integrity" and not be permitted to make sideway moves to the WoSFL? The SoSFL hold a very strong bargaining chip and are on an equal footing with the EoSFL and emerging WoSFL and you may well find that by not taking advantage of the current window you have allowed the door to close. The advantage is in staying in the SoSFL. Tier 6 status in a settled league and will be written into the LL pyramid playoff rules. So they will have a say in future changes as well as current ones. If they had joined the WoSFL this year they may have gone from Tier 6 to Tier 9 as some of the discussions has been over using the Conference set up this year to form every division. Which could turn out to be a vote that sees 16-16-16-18 rather than a regionalised bottom tier. SoSFL can sit it out. Let the WoSFL sort itself out. Then slide in as a South Division or equal status to the WoSFL's bottom tier if that was deemed more preferable in future. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdinburghBlue Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 I think once the couple of current SoS members in the lowland league (Dalbeattie and if Gretna decide if they are an EOS or SoS side), get relegated from the LL, then it will be something that can be looked at. Thats assuming no other SoS side wins a promotion into the LL via the playoff in that time, although unlikely. It would just not be fair to expect a club to drop 2 tiers if relegated from the LL. Something that may also worry Annan and Queen of the South in the long run. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morley Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 Just now, EdinburghBlue said: Something that may also worry Annan and Queen of the South in the long run. Hadn't thought about it in that way but very true especially for Annan. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AML67 Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 17 minutes ago, Pyramidic said: Will Newton Stewart (and other ambitious SoSFL clubs) in the future be faced with the issue of contravening "geographical integrity" and not be permitted to make sideway moves to the WoSFL? The SoSFL hold a very strong bargaining chip and are on an equal footing with the EoSFL and emerging WoSFL and you may well find that by not taking advantage of the current window you have allowed the door to close. We fully appreciate this and it certainly was a huge consideration ! If the ‘boat’ has been missed by some in the South perhaps , and we can’t speak for anyone else , we like many posters on here suggest that there may well be some sort of amalgamation in the future and should that come wouldn’t we at that point potentially as has been suggested all along be at a level where we could realistically have a better chance of competing at a level ( of sorts ) playing field ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AML67 Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 21 minutes ago, Stag Nation said: The only shift in voting power will be that the WoSFL will have a seat on the SFA's Non-Professional Game Board. Exactly the same voting power as the SoS. Are you then failing to then realise that the LL , East and new West would all have votes , so where would that leave the South in any power struggle / shift in thought process 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BMan Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 I wonder that now the WoSFL is in place, Dalbeattie and Gretna would nominate the WoS are their preferred destination should relegation beckon. They need to ask themselves if a WoS Premier / Championship would be a better environment for them than the relative backwater of the SoS with (probably) regular LL play-off defeats to look forward to. Then again, by the time either of them face relegation, LL2 could be in place. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AML67 Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 9 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said: The advantage is in staying in the SoSFL. Tier 6 status in a settled league and will be written into the LL pyramid playoff rules. So they will have a say in future changes as well as current ones. If they had joined the WoSFL this year they may have gone from Tier 6 to Tier 9 as some of the discussions has been over using the Conference set up this year to form every division. Which could turn out to be a vote that sees 16-16-16-18 rather than a regionalised bottom tier. SoSFL can sit it out. Let the WoSFL sort itself out. Then slide in as a South Division or equal status to the WoSFL's bottom tier if that was deemed more preferable in future. Why would they want to ‘slide in’ to Tier 7 , 8 , 9 or whatever that level may be next year ? Surely they’d have been better taking the gamble now , hoping to draw a decent(ish) Conference then have potentially a reasonable season and finish maybe mid table avoiding the need to potentially drop several Tiers in the future ? Just a thought 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 The South of Scotland causes no harm where it sits at tier 6, it doesn't delay anyone from progressing and certainly won't impede things going forward. It is at tier 6, it has equal place along with the wos and eos in voting rights and playoff places. It is heartwarming to know though that because the wrsjfa clubs have now arrived that the pyramid is saved and we should all be put to our rightful place in the system folk helped get off the ground. If the champion of either wos, sos or eos league isn't licensed they don't play in the playoff, so what harm is it to have the south in place where it is? If their champion is licensed, wins the playoff and earns promotion fair play to them, if they aren't licensed they don't play.....whats the harm? Or is this more to do with a footballing class system whereby the bigger more powerful clubs think they should tell every other club where they should be playing? Here is a sobering thought though, if the wos champion isn't licensed by next season, they don't play in the playoff. Does that mean that they should move down a tier? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Countryman Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 The SOSL is a tier 6 league and it has the right to stay as a tier 6 league indefinately, why should it give this up? If a SOSL never wins promotion, so what, this doesn't mean it has to ever move from tier 6. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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