honestman54 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Doonhamer1969 said: It shows Wishaw, but I havent seen evidence of them joining as yet, unless ive missed it 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 16 minutes ago, Frodo17 said: The Future seems more clouded than ever as looking at where we are and where we are headed it would seem that clubs like ourselves are being taken as a token gesture. It remains to be seen what the official decision will be as to league set ups but it seems likely BIG clubs will be favoured with the rest basically fulfilling an obligation to take all on board. There's going to be Conferences for a single season and what they look like depends entirely on the WoSFL members. Conferences actually favour the smaller clubs as they will get a season of playing a sample of clubs with larger supports and have the opportunity to reach a higher level in a single season than they may otherwise in a single season. Look at Crossgates Primrose in the EoSFL. 16 minutes ago, Frodo17 said: As we stand some clubs haven't made official statement of their position, is there a reason? Not every club has to make an official statement. Some don't have social media profiles to do. There's also some clubs that might not yet have made a decision. 16 minutes ago, Frodo17 said: Is there also a reason for maintaining SJFA membership, other than the Junior cup reason as seems fiimsy. The only reason to keep SJFA membership is the Junior Cup. That's all that it entitles you to and even then the SJFA hasn't been changed yet to allow this happen. 16 minutes ago, Frodo17 said: Is there a potential parachute if this doesn't work as the organisations hope? Why wouldn't it work? Its a number of football clubs that have been run on a semi-professional basis for donkeys. Its no different than from going from Central & Ayrshire leagues to the West Region in 2002. Instead of losing the regional identity all that's been lost is the Junior tag. Which as you've pointed out boils down to a cup competition. 16 minutes ago, Frodo17 said: My fear is that Lowland will have their way and clubs known as BIG GUNS will be bedded in and the rest of us will be cast adrift. If the Lowland League wanted to do that they would of just formed a 16 team league by application and taken cherry picked who they wanted. THIS IS NOT HAPPENING! Which is why you're being called paranoid. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, Frodo17 said: These are simple questions and observations in a situation where clarity is lacking. If there is a place waiting for the likes of Rosyth and Lochgelly in the EoS to join clubs like Ormiston and Tweedmouth, Perthshire have nothing to worry about in the WoS. Every club will find its level. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archieb Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 1 minute ago, honestman54 said: It shows Wishaw, but I havent seen evidence of them joining as yet, unless ive missed it Read the recent post on this thread by the Wishaw Secretary 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 1 minute ago, honestman54 said: It shows Wishaw, but I havent seen evidence of them joining as yet, unless ive missed it Check this thread. Their secretary confirmed it on here a couple of pages back. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 6 minutes ago, Doonhamer1969 said: What do you mean by 'parachute' , and where is the feeling coming from that small clubs will be 'cast adrift' ? The smaller clubs in the EoS haven't been 'cast adrift' in any way that I can see or have heard, so I'm not sure why anyone would think that would happen in the West. The same thing was said about the Lowland League "Its doomed to fail. We'd have to go back to the Juniors and start at the BOTTOM. Its not worth the risk!" Even though the Lowland League was basically the old EoS Premier and the EoS had been going on since the 1920s. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honestman54 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 6 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: Check this thread. Their secretary confirmed it on here a couple of pages back. OK, ive re-read it and it didnt seem to me to say that they had definitely applied. However, I will acept youre better wisdom on this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 3 hours ago, Wishaw Secretary said: ...For the avoidance of any doubt whatsoever, Wishaw Juniors will be submitting an application for membership of the West of Scotland League as proposed by The Lowland League... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShireShug1890 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 21 minutes ago, Doonhamer1969 said: What do you mean by 'parachute' , and where is the feeling coming from that small clubs will be 'cast adrift' ? The smaller clubs in the EoS haven't been 'cast adrift' in any way that I can see or have heard, so I'm not sure why anyone would think that would happen in the West. The retention of Junior membership would suggest that there is an area of doubt with the possibility of fslling back ie Parachute... The official set up will confirm/allay these fears to an extent... If all is carried across as is then my fears are real.. If the governing body use this opportunity to apply equal opportunity to all clubs then great Ie, Top 4 from each league create 1league Next 4 from each league create another and so forth... The winners of each league move into top tier of new set up with the opportunity to win promotion to lowland set up... Just an idea to consider 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 (edited) 54 minutes ago, Frodo17 said: My fear is that Lowland will have their way and clubs known as BIG GUNS will be bedded in and the rest of us will be cast adrift. Are there any others with these concerns? Currently at tier 7 in the EoSFL, there are 9 Licensed sides out of 24 (or will be once rubber stamped at the next SFA AGM). Three of them came from the East Juniors, Dunipace, Easthouses and Haddington just two years ago. Those clubs showed ambition to progress, improve their facilities and embrace what the pyramid offered. Alongside them are a mix of similarly ambitious ex junior clubs who are still progressing their licence, such as Dalkeith, Oakley, Edinburgh Utd and St Andrews. Others such as Glenrothes, Kinnoull and Arniston may choose to go down the licence route or they may not. If they don't, then they can still be promoted to the EOS Premier League at Tier 6. No side has been "cast adrift" or left behind in any other way. The 8 new ex-East Junior applicants to the EOSFL for next season will join at Tier 7. Each of them will find their level (at tier 6, 7 or 8.) after just one season, but ultimately it will be up to each club how they embrace the new league. If they are comfortable at that level then great. The EOSFL allows clubs to operate at a level that matches their ambitions, but they will still have access to the various competitions that will allow them to face the "Big Guns" with the luck of the draw. Edited April 1, 2020 by Footballfirst 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Saddler Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 10 minutes ago, Footballfirst said: Currently at tier 7 in the EoSFL, there are 9 Licensed sides out of 24 (or will be once rubber stamped at the next SFA AGM). Three of them came from the East Juniors, Dunipace, Easthouses and Haddington just two years ago. Those clubs showed ambition to progress, improve their facilities and embrace what the pyramid offered. Alongside them are a mix of similarly ambitious ex junior clubs who are still progressing their licence, such as Dalkeith, Oakley, Edinburgh Utd and St Andrews. Others such as Glenrothes, Kinnoull and Arniston may choose to go down the licence route or they may not. If they don't, then they can still be promoted to the EOS Premier League at Tier 6. No side has been "cast adrift" or left behind in any other way. The 8 new ex-East Junior applicants to the EOSFL for next season will join at Tier 7. Each of them will find their level (at tier 6, 7 or 8.) after just one season, but ultimately it will be up to each club how they embrace the new league. If they are comfortable at that level then great. The EOSFL allows clubs to operate at a level that matches their ambitions, but they will still have access to the various competitions that will allow them to face the "Big Guns" with the luck of the draw. Best thing Perthshire could do is talk to some of the clubs mentioned about life in the EOS. That should settle any qualms they might have. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginaro Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Earlier in the day there was discussion of how the Junior Cup could fit in to the WOS calendar. @glensmad Here is a list of the original EOS week by week fixture schedule for this season. As you can see, without the Scottish Cup/Alex Jack Cup and EOS Qualifying Cup, the EOS would gain five matchdays. Plus a couple more if they played extra August midweeks like the West did. Once the end of season deadline, Scottish Cup, and South Challenge Cup dates have all been set - the SJFA could then decide their dates for the Junior Cup. After that the WOS league games can be slotted in around those dates, just like the EOS do around their own competitions. The only problem is, what happens if a Junior Cup game is postponed - do they wait until the date of the next round; do they play it the next weekend if both clubs are from the same region; or do they negotiate with all the affected clubs across the regions to get it played the next weekend? League Scottish Cup Alex Jack Cup South Challenge Cup Qualifying Cup League Cup Junior Cup Saturday 27 July 1 Wednesday 31 July 2 Saturday 3 August 3 Wednesday 7 August Saturday 10 August PR1 1R Saturday 17 August 1R Saturday 24 August 4 (now SCC) 1R Saturday 31 August PR2 2R Saturday 7 September 5 Saturday 14 September 2R 1R (not needed) Saturday 21 September 1R 3R Saturday 28 September 6 2R Wednesday 2 October 7 (floodlights) Saturday 5 October 8 Saturday 12 October 3R Saturday 19 October 9 2R SF Saturday 26 October 10 3R Saturday 2 November 11 Saturday 9 November 4R Saturday 16 November 12 Saturday 23 November 13 3R F 4R Saturday 30 November 4R (P-P) Saturday 7 December 14 Saturday 14 December 15 Saturday 21 December Christmas Break Saturday 28 December 16 Saturday 4 January 17 Saturday 11 January 18 Saturday 18 January 4R SF Saturday 25 January 19 5R Saturday 1 February 20 Saturday 8 February 21 5R Saturday 15 February 22 Saturday 22 February 23 QF Saturday 29 February 24 QF Saturday 7 March QF 2R Saturday 14 March 25 Saturday 21 March 26 Saturday 28 March F 3R SF1 Saturday 4 April 27 SF SF2 Saturday 11 April 28 SF Saturday 18 April 4R Saturday 25 April 29 Saturday 2 May 30 Saturday 9 May LL PO leg 1 Saturday 16 May LL PO leg 2 SF Saturday 23 May F Saturday 30 May F F? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doonhamer1969 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Frodo17 said: The retention of Junior membership would suggest that there is an area of doubt with the possibility of fslling back ie Parachute... The official set up will confirm/allay these fears to an extent... If all is carried across as is then my fears are real.. If the governing body use this opportunity to apply equal opportunity to all clubs then great Ie, Top 4 from each league create 1league Next 4 from each league create another and so forth... The winners of each league move into top tier of new set up with the opportunity to win promotion to lowland set up... Just an idea to consider They have considered it. The statement from the meeting between all parties stated a preference for conferences for one season, ie. all teams start at Tier 6 in parallel conferences. The retention of SJFA membership is primarily about giving the clubs the option to continue participation in the Junior Cup Edited April 1, 2020 by Doonhamer1969 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 8 minutes ago, Frodo17 said: The retention of Junior membership would suggest that there is an area of doubt with the possibility of fslling back ie Parachute... The official set up will confirm/allay these fears to an extent... If all is carried across as is then my fears are real.. If the governing body use this opportunity to apply equal opportunity to all clubs then great Ie, Top 4 from each league create 1league Next 4 from each league create another and so forth... The winners of each league move into top tier of new set up with the opportunity to win promotion to lowland set up... Just an idea to consider The conferences won't be set up like that, it would create horrible inbalance between them. It will be done like the EoS where the clubs get spread between the confrences to have them as equal strength as possible. It is nearly certain this will be the new set up for year 1. 11 minutes ago, Footballfirst said: Currently at tier 7 in the EoSFL, there are 9 Licensed sides out of 24 (or will be once rubber stamped at the next SFA AGM). Three of them came from the East Juniors, Dunipace, Easthouses and Haddington just two years ago. Those clubs showed ambition to progress, improve their facilities and embrace what the pyramid offered. Alongside them are a mix of similarly ambitious ex junior clubs who are still progressing their licence, such as Dalkeith, Oakley, Edinburgh Utd and St Andrews. Others such as Glenrothes, Kinnoull and Arniston may choose to go down the licence route or they may not. If they don't, then they can still be promoted to the EOS Premier League at Tier 6. No side has been "cast adrift" or left behind in any other way. The 8 new ex-East Junior applicants to the EOSFL for next season will join at Tier 7. Each of them will find their level (at tier 6, 7 or 8.) after just one season, but ultimately it will be up to each club how they embrace the new league. If they are comfortable at that level then great. The EOSFL allows clubs to operate at a level that matches their ambitions, but they will still have access to the various competitions that will allow them to face the "Big Guns" with the luck of the draw. I believe its in EoS rules that you must be working towards licencing. It doesn't mean huge amounts as clubs can work at their own pace but its a general understanding that nobody is just going to try and have the best side on the pitch and completely ignore off-field. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Frodo17 said: Having spoken with management at Glasgow Perthshire FC there is a genuine feeling of uncertainty. The Future seems more clouded than ever as looking at where we are and where we are headed it would seem that clubs like ourselves are being taken as a token gesture. It remains to be seen what the official decision will be as to league set ups but it seems likely BIG clubs will be favoured with the rest basically fulfilling an obligation to take all on board. As we stand some clubs haven't made official statement of their position, is there a reason? Is there also a reason for maintaining SJFA membership, other than the Junior cup reason as seems fiimsy. Is there a potential parachute if this doesn't work as the organisations hope? My fear is that Lowland will have their way and clubs known as BIG GUNS will be bedded in and the rest of us will be cast adrift. Are there any others with these concerns? Where are you getting this stuff from? I'd really like to know. It does not seem likely in the slightest that any clubs will be favoured over others, for any reason. Why don't you ask representatives of clubs who have played or still are playing in conferences in the EOS how they're working out for them? Or you could even read the posts on the subject here, almost all of them written by fair-minded people with a keen interest in the progression of what remains (despite the undoubted negatives) our national sport? The comment about the Lowland League is actually insulting, and does you no favours, but if you genuinely want advice or answers, you're more likely to get them here than wherever you've been looking for them previously. Edited April 1, 2020 by Bad Wolf 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginaro Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Noticed this from Cumnock soon after saying they'd applied for the WOS: 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doonhamer1969 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Meanwhile, someone at Kilwinning has a sense of humour. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Patterson Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Doonhamer1969 said: Meanwhile, someone at Kilwinning has a sense of humour. Whoever runs the Kilwinning Twitter has a good sense of humour, I remember them talking about Blockchain at some point which was a good laugh, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 4 hours ago, Frodo17 said: My fear is that Lowland will have their way and clubs known as BIG GUNS will be bedded in and the rest of us will be cast adrift. Are there any others with these concerns? I know a lot of folk have replied to you and I don't want to hound you, but really, have you seen how happy the smallest clubs are in the EoS? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Starko Rover Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 32 minutes ago, GordonS said: I know a lot of folk have replied to you and I don't want to hound you, but really, have you seen how happy the smallest clubs are in the EoS? Exactly, any WRJFA clubs who are concerned the LL are only interested in the "Big Guns" go and look at the SOSFL and EOSFL which cater to multiple small clubs none of who have expressed a desire to leave the set up and none have been discarded from the set up. Retaining SJFA membership was a condition the WRJFA wanted to allow clubs to play in the SJC exactly like Kelty can play in the Fife cup through FifeFA membership its not a safety blanket or a fall back it's simply for access to the SJC and optional for clubs joining if they want to keep SJFA membership. Every club who meets the very basic criteria for the SOSFL/WOSFL/EOSFL will almost certainly be accepted in the set up. Out of interest have any clubs said they're not retaining SJFA membership when they join or are all intending to keep access to the Scottish Junior Cup? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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