LongTimeLurker Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 8 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said: Same future they probably already had... Any rump west region is likely to be little more than a glorified amateur league that would collapse in two or three seasons tops. It's a good thing that clubs are being actively encouraged to move by the remaining west region blazers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiamondOwl Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 Just now, Beenzon-Toste said: Aye, like the ERSJFA leagues. The same leagues that you lot call insignificant and that the teams in it would be better off in the EOSL. You're at it again... "you lot". We're not all clones on here, you know. We have differing views! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james666 Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 4 hours ago, FairWeatherFan said: The existing 15 clubs had 3 votes each: Turriff United (15 votes), Strathspey Thistle (14 votes), Formartine United (11 votes) and Banks o'Dee (5 votes). From what I have been told about it, banks were complacent and thought they were a shoe in turriffs presentation and youth set up got them in. Strathspey was basically to keep Highland /Aberdeenshire fairly even. And formartine. Atholl cadger went round every club, splashing cash, buying everyone in the social club drinks etc. But as for relegation from HFL, it needs to happen soon. Lowland league is getting stronger and will only get better in the coming years as the like of Talbot and Pollok progress, but the HFL will remain stagnant with no new blood. Banks, Culter, roselea and a couple others from NRJ should be able to hold there own and push on, which should strengthen the league. The likes of Lossiemouth and Fort William are treading water knowing nothing will happen id they finish bottom of the league. As a side, what are the basic requirements for licensing? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beenzon-Toste Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 Who is/are "you lot"? While the majority view on this thread has been supportive of the move to the WOSL, most have also emphasised individual clubs' right to choose. There's a big difference between "should join" and "must join". Some might say that any "remaining" clubs represent the true "breakaway", by their deciding to ignore the diktats from the WR management. They have a right to choose. They have been 'advised' to choose the Pyramid. A Pyramid that they voted to join previously. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beenzon-Toste Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 You're at it again... "you lot". We're not all clones on here, you know. We have differing views!Aye, as long as that view is against the Juniors. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 Just now, Beenzon-Toste said: Aye, like the ERSJFA leagues. The same leagues that you lot call insignificant and that the teams in it would be better off in the EOSL. Notice the ERSJFA don't care what people on P&B or social media think, that's why they still exist. They made their own choices and what they feel is best for them. You lot put too much importance to what gets said on an internet forum. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 6 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: Any rump west region is likely to be little more than a glorified amateur league that would collapse in two or three seasons tops. Why? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 Hope they don’t extend the deadline and we can hear the plans for next season, if clubs are too stupid/stubborn to move then they shouldn’t get any special treatment. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 1 minute ago, FairWeatherFan said: Why? The compromise over the junior cup ended any prospect of the larger clubs staying. What would be left would be clubs that are already almost moribund in terms of local interest and support. At least in the WoS there's hope they can be revitalised, so it's for the best that they are being encouraged to make the move. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 1 minute ago, LongTimeLurker said: The compromise over the junior cup ended any prospect of the larger clubs staying. What would be left would be clubs that are already almost moribund in terms of local interest and support. At least in the WoS there's hope they can be revitalised, so it's for the best that they are being encouraged to make the move. If there's enough clubs for a West Region to still exist with the East & North Region there's no guarantee that the changes to the Junior Cup will pass. There's still no guarantee of those changes if the North are only now being asked and there's still no solution in the East. The East Region South still gets the same sort of attendances as those in the EoS First Division Conferences. Does the EoS Conferences have moribund support and local interest then? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glensmad Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 The compromise over the junior cup ended any prospect of the larger clubs staying.You mean "the concession by the SJFA over the junior cup".It wasn't a compromise by the LL, as it was not in the LL's remit to allow or deny the right to retain SJFA membership while playing in their league structure. That was the SJFA's decision to make. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 Kilwinning Q&A live now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4tDoKGHLYQ&fbclid=IwAR2nkjapnVZ3HLhWtyTQZhT7fT0GLB_-GlqZjeKbBJKJkTF4YlT-3vXYLWA 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 More or less 65% of clubs gone public with a week to go to the dead-line. 42 Clubs which have Applied so far/have said that they will be applying: Premiership (13) Championship (12) League One (9) League Two (7) Others (1) Auchinleck Talbot Arthurlie Bellshill Athletic Ashfield Drumchapel Utd PYM Beith Juniors Blantyre Victoria Glasgow Perthshire Forth Wanderers Benburb Cambuslang Rangers Greenock Juniors Johnstone Burgh Clydebank Cumbernauld United Kello Rovers Muirkirk Juniors Glenafton Athletic Darvel Larkhall Thistle Newmains United Irvine Meadow XI Gartcairn Juniors Maryhill Vale of Clyde Kilbirnie Ladeside Kilsyth Rangers Port Glasgow Juniors Vale of Leven Kilwinning Rangers Neilston Juniors Royal Albert Kirkintilloch Rob Roy Petershill Shettleston Largs Thistle Renfrew Pollok Shotts Bon Accord Rutherglen Glencairn Whitletts Victoria Troon Not known to have applied so far: Cumnock Juniors Craigmark Burntonians Ardrossan Winton Rovers Annbank United Hurlford United Dalry Thistle Carluke Rovers Ardeer Thistle Rossvale Irvine Victoria East Kilbride Thistle Lugar Boswell Thistle St Roch's Girvan Maybole Juniors Lanark United Saltcoats Victoria Lesmahagow Juniors St Anthony's Wishaw Juniors Thorniewood United Yoker Athletic 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 20 minutes ago, glensmad said: You mean "the concession by the SJFA over the junior cup". It wasn't a compromise by the LL, as it was not in the LL's remit to allow or deny the right to retain SJFA membership while playing in their league structure. That was the SJFA's decision to make. Who cares who did what as long as there is a sensible outcome? The main thing is to avoid the West Lothian scenario. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Macguire Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 47 minutes ago, Stag Nation said: Anyone know what "with the support of SJFA" means? Not sure what the "and relevant bodies" is about either? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian38018 Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 3 hours ago, DiamondOwl said: 5 hours ago, Pyramidic said: Flexible thinking indeed - are you also suggesting that Harthill and Fauldhouse should be able to join the WoSFL if they wish to progress within the Pyramid? Why not? I’m for all clubs to be free to play at the level they wish to play it, in the league of their choice. Obviously, so long as they are within the general area (or the area is undefined) and that they qualify in terms of their infrastructure (including governance, ground and finance) to play in that league. The problem, as I see it,at the moment, is that the West region juniors have been left without any real choice. Edited 3 hours ago by DiamondOwl Not sure if this is remotely relevant, but I will just remind folks, Harthill is actually in Lanarkshire, - although I acknowledge the park they play on is just over the border in WL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian38018 Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, BMan said: 4 hours ago, superbigal said: I still half expect based on boundaries an official Tayside league to be formed in due course. Same status as new west. Where that feeds into for now is fairly irrelevant as no club has indicated interest in a license. Presumably with the same rights that the new west is awarding itself. Ie retain membership and junior cup access. That leaves the west lothian mafia doing it's own thing staying completely junior out with the pyramid. Literally leaves who ? Tayport my local club in dire difficulties currently. Just dont see them applying to eos so that ship will sail. Anyone else marooned in those circumstances ? Aren't Tayport marooning themselves here? I thought Tayport played in red Edited March 31, 2020 by Ian38018 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holmparkheroes Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 Irvine Vics. https://twitter.com/IrvineVictoria 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Pyramidic Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 The current list of 43 clubs that propose to join the WoSFL: 1. Clydebank (SJFA West Region Premiership) 2. Kilwinning Rangers (SJFA West Region Premiership) 3. Rutherglen Glencairn (SJFA West Region Premiership) 4. Bellshill Athletic (SJFA West League One) 5. Drumchapel United (Central Scottish Amateur Premier Division) 6. Neilston Juniors (SJFA West Region Championship) 7. Maryhill (SJFA West League One) 8. Kello Rovers (SJFA West League One) 9. Blantyre Victoria (SJFA West Region Championship) 10. Kirkintilloch Rob Roy (SJFA West Region Premiership) 11. Vale of Clyde (SJFA West League Two) 12. Renfrew (SJFA West Region Championship) 13. Royal Albert (SJFA West League One) 14. Arthurlie (SJFA West Region Championship) 15. Newmains United (SJFA West League Two) 16. Kilsyth Rangers (SJFA West Region Championship) 17. Whitletts Victoria (SJFA West Region Championship) 18. Gartcairn Juniors (SJFA West Region Championship) 19. Cambuslang Rangers (SJFA West Region Championship) 20. Cumbernauld United (SJFA West Region Championship) 21. Glasgow Perthshire (SJFA West League One) 22. Ashfield (SJFA West League Two) 23. Petershill (SJFA West Region Championship) 24. Greenock Juniors (SJFA West League One) 25. Larkhall Thistle (SJFA West League One) 26. Port Glasgow Juniors (SJFA West League One) 27. Pollok (SJFA West Region Premiership) 28. Darvel Juniors (SJFA West Region Championship) 29. Vale of Leven (SJFA West League Two) 30. Glenafton Athletic (SJFA West Region Premiership) 31. Johnstone Burgh (SJFA West League Two) 32. Auchinleck Talbot (SJFA West Region Premiership) 33. Largs Thistle (SJFA West Region Premiership) 34. Kilbirnie Ladeside (SJFA West Region Premiership) 35. Troon (SJFA West Region Premiership) 36. Irvine Meadow XI (SJFA West Region Premiership) 37. Beith Juniors (SJFA West Region Premiership) 38. Shotts Bon Accord (SJFA West Region Championship) 39. Forth Wanderers (SJFA West League Two) 40. Muirkirk Juniors (SJFA West League Two) 41. Benburb (SJFA West Region Premiership) 42. Shettleston (SJFA West League One) 43. Irvine Victoria (SJFA West Region Championship) SJFA West Region Premiership (13 clubs) Auchinleck Talbot; Beith Juniors; Benburb; Clydebank; Cumnock Juniors; Glenafton Athletic; Hurlford United; Irvine Meadow; Kilbirnie Ladeside; Kilwinning Rangers; Kirkintilloch Rob Roy; Largs Thistle; Pollok; Rossvale; Rutherglen Glencairn; Troon SJFA West Region Championship (13 clubs) Arthurlie; Blantyre Victoria; Cambuslang Rangers; Craigmark Burntonians; Cumbernauld United; Dalry Thistle; Darvel Juniors; Gartcairn Juniors; Irvine Victoria; Kilsyth Rangers; Neilston Juniors; Petershill; Renfrew; Shotts Bon Accord; St Roch's; Whitletts Victoria SJFA West Region League One (9 clubs) Ardrossan Winton Rovers; Bellshill Athletic; Carluke Rovers; East Kilbride Thistle; Girvan; Glasgow Perthshire; Greenock Juniors; Kello Rovers; Lanark United; Larkhall Thistle; Lesmahagow; Maryhill; Port Glasgow; Royal Albert; Shettleston; Wishaw Juniors SJFA West Region League Two (7 clubs) Annbank United; Ardeer Thistle; Ashfield; Forth Wanderers; Johnstone Burgh; Lugar Boswell Thistle; Maybole Juniors; Muirkirk Juniors; Newmains United; Saltcoats Victoria; St Anthony's; Thorniewood United; Vale of Clyde; Vale of Leven; Yoker Athletic South of Scotland League (0 clubs) Abbey Vale; Bonnyton Thistle; Caledonian Braves Res; Creetown; Heston Rovers; Lochar Thistle; Lochmaben; Mid-Annandale; Newton Stewart; Nithsdale Wanderers; St Cuthbert Wanderers; Stranraer Res; Threave Rovers; Upper Annandale; Wigtown & Bladnoch Amateurs (1 club) Drumchapel United PYM; Glasgow University; Oban Saints; Strathclyde University More applicants to follow to be added to the growing list! Awaiting official announcement from Kilbirnie Ladeside. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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