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The principal reason for the restructuring was to create larger divisions so that clubs had a greater number of guaranteed home fixtures. Most worryingly, the Ayrshire division had been reduced to 11 clubs , giving only 10 home fixtures, which was not providing enough income to survive on.
IIRC did the proposal not originally come from St. Anthony's, and it did mention the fact that Central clubs could drop 2 levels away from the Super First, while the Ayrshire clubs could only ever drop 1 level from there?
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5 minutes ago, peasy23 said:
11 minutes ago, archieb said:
The principal reason for the restructuring was to create larger divisions so that clubs had a greater number of guaranteed home fixtures. Most worryingly, the Ayrshire division had been reduced to 11 clubs , giving only 10 home fixtures, which was not providing enough income to survive on.

IIRC did the proposal not originally come from St. Anthony's, and it did mention the fact that Central clubs could drop 2 levels away from the Super First, while the Ayrshire clubs could only ever drop 1 level from there?

I think Whitletts were very active in pushing the proposal.

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I think Whitletts were very active in pushing the proposal.
Think they were, there were at least 2 proposals from what I remember, with the club's involved being asked to join together and they then came up with the one that was adopted.
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2 hours ago, honestman54 said:

Just checked their website and they also include a great visual pyramid there with logos and the number of matches played each season by different parts of the pyramid.  

The graphic is very helpful, particularly for folk who don't know much about the non-league structure in Scotland. They've got the number of teams /games in the Highland and EoS wrong. Minor thing though.

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The current list of 39 clubs that propose to join the WoSFL:


1. Clydebank (SJFA West Region Premiership)

2. Kilwinning Rangers (SJFA West Region Premiership)

3. Rutherglen Glencairn (SJFA West Region Premiership)

4. Bellshill Athletic (SJFA West League One)

5. Drumchapel United (Central Scottish Amateur Premier Division)

6. Neilston Juniors (SJFA West Region Championship)

7. Maryhill (SJFA West League One)

8. Kello Rovers (SJFA West League One)

9. Blantyre Victoria (SJFA West Region Championship)

10. Kirkintilloch Rob Roy (SJFA West Region Premiership)

11. Vale of Clyde (SJFA West League Two)

12. Renfrew (SJFA West Region Championship)

13. Royal Albert (SJFA West League One)

14. Arthurlie (SJFA West Region Championship)

15. Newmains United (SJFA West League Two)

16. Kilsyth Rangers (SJFA West Region Championship)

17. Whitletts Victoria (SJFA West Region Championship)

18. Gartcairn Juniors (SJFA West Region Championship)

19. Cambuslang Rangers  (SJFA West Region Championship)

20. Cumbernauld United (SJFA West Region Championship)

21. Glasgow Perthshire (SJFA West League One)

22. Ashfield (SJFA West League Two)

23. Petershill (SJFA West Region Championship)

24. Greenock Juniors (SJFA West League One)

25. Larkhall Thistle (SJFA West League One)

26. Port Glasgow Juniors (SJFA West League One)

27. Pollok (SJFA West Region Premiership)

28. Darvel Juniors (SJFA West Region Championship)

29. Vale of Leven (SJFA West League Two)

30. Glenafton Athletic (SJFA West Region Premiership)

31. Johnstone Burgh (SJFA West League Two)

32. Auchinleck Talbot (SJFA West Region Premiership)

33. Largs Thistle (SJFA West Region Premiership)

34. Kilbirnie Ladeside (SJFA West Region Premiership)

35. Troon (SJFA West Region Premiership)

36. Irvine Meadow XI (SJFA West Region Premiership)

37. Beith Juniors (SJFA West Region Premiership) 

38. Shotts Bon Accord (SJFA West Region Championship)

39.  Forth Wanderers  (SJFA West League Two)


SJFA West Region Premiership (12 clubs)

Auchinleck Talbot; Beith Juniors; Benburb; Clydebank; Cumnock Juniors; Glenafton Athletic; Hurlford United; Irvine Meadow; Kilbirnie Ladeside; Kilwinning Rangers; Kirkintilloch Rob Roy; Largs Thistle; Pollok; Rossvale; Rutherglen Glencairn; Troon

SJFA West Region Championship (12 clubs)

Arthurlie; Blantyre Victoria; Cambuslang Rangers; Craigmark Burntonians; Cumbernauld United; Dalry Thistle; Darvel Juniors; Gartcairn Juniors; Irvine Victoria; Kilsyth Rangers; Neilston Juniors; Petershill; Renfrew; Shotts Bon Accord; St Roch's; Whitletts Victoria

SJFA West Region League One (8 clubs)

Ardrossan Winton Rovers; Bellshill Athletic; Carluke Rovers; East Kilbride Thistle; Girvan; Glasgow Perthshire; Greenock Juniors; Kello Rovers; Lanark United; Larkhall Thistle; Lesmahagow; Maryhill; Port Glasgow; Royal Albert; Shettleston; Wishaw Juniors

SJFA West Region League Two (6 clubs)

Annbank United; Ardeer Thistle; Ashfield; Forth Wanderers; Johnstone Burgh; Lugar Boswell Thistle; Maybole Juniors; Muirkirk Juniors; Newmains United; Saltcoats Victoria; St Anthony's; Thorniewood United; Vale of Clyde; Vale of Leven; Yoker Athletic

South of Scotland League (0 clubs)

Abbey Vale; Bonnyton Thistle; Caledonian Braves Res; Creetown; Heston Rovers; Lochar Thistle; Lochmaben; Mid-Annandale; Newton Stewart; Nithsdale Wanderers; St Cuthbert Wanderers; Stranraer Res; Threave Rovers; Upper Annandale; Wigtown & Bladnoch

Amateurs (1 club)

Drumchapel United PYM; Glasgow University; Oban Saints; Strathclyde University

More applicants to follow to be added to the growing list! Awaiting official announcement from Kilbirnie Ladeside.

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36 minutes ago, peasy23 said:
42 minutes ago, archieb said:
The principal reason for the restructuring was to create larger divisions so that clubs had a greater number of guaranteed home fixtures. Most worryingly, the Ayrshire division had been reduced to 11 clubs , giving only 10 home fixtures, which was not providing enough income to survive on.

IIRC did the proposal not originally come from St. Anthony's, and it did mention the fact that Central clubs could drop 2 levels away from the Super First, while the Ayrshire clubs could only ever drop 1 level from there?

 

29 minutes ago, RedEd said:

I think Whitletts were very active in pushing the proposal.

 

25 minutes ago, peasy23 said:
29 minutes ago, RedEd said:
I think Whitletts were very active in pushing the proposal.

Think they were, there were at least 2 proposals from what I remember, with the club's involved being asked to join together and they then came up with the one that was adopted.

It's really not helpful when people who weren't even there try to rewrite history!

I've given the correct story before on this thread but, for the sake of clarity, here it is again:

What in fact happened was that three clubs independently produced proposals for reconfiguring the league structure. Two sets of proposals were submitted to the WRSJFA for comments (one of which was from Pollok, the other from St Anthony's), the third set from Whitletts Victoria was sent out to all clubs for comment and openly discussed on Pie and Bovril.

Feedback from the Region was that Pollok should consult with St Anthony's and agree a joint proposal.
I attended a WRSJFA General Meeting as Pollok delegate, and used the opportunity to speak with interested people from several other clubs including Whitletts.

Following this, Whitletts convened two meetings of a working group representing all interested clubs plus a few additional ones we invited so that all divisions and geographical areas were involved.
There, 5 sets of proposals in all were considered which had many similar features.

After discussion, it was a version of the Pollok proposal that met with most approval (with the Premiership, Championship, Leagues 1&2 nomenclature adopted from St Anthony's) and which was taken forward to the next WRSJFA GM, formulated into an AGM motion, (along with 2 other motions, originated by Whitletts and agreed by the group - for advance release of fixtures and changes to the Sectional Cup).

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7 minutes ago, archieb said:

 

 

It's really not helpful when people who weren't even there try to rewrite history!

I've given the correct story before on this thread but, for the sake of clarity, here it is again:

What in fact happened was that three clubs independently produced proposals for reconfiguring the league structure. Two sets of proposals were submitted to the WRSJFA for comments (one of which was from Pollok, the other from St Anthony's), the third set from Whitletts Victoria was sent out to all clubs for comment and openly discussed on Pie and Bovril.

Feedback from the Region was that Pollok should consult with St Anthony's and agree a joint proposal.
I attended a WRSJFA General Meeting as Pollok delegate, and used the opportunity to speak with interested people from several other clubs including Whitletts.

Following this, Whitletts convened two meetings of a working group representing all interested clubs plus a few additional ones we invited so that all divisions and geographical areas were involved.
There, 5 sets of proposals in all were considered which had many similar features.

After discussion, it was a version of the Pollok proposal that met with most approval (with the Premiership, Championship, Leagues 1&2 nomenclature adopted from St Anthony's) and which was taken forward to the next WRSJFA GM, formulated into an AGM motion, (along with 2 other motions, originated by Whitletts and agreed by the group - for advance release of fixtures and changes to the Sectional Cup).

Hardly rewriting history. Your account is quite detailed, and confirms that Whitletts were active in the successful attempt to change the league structure.

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4 hours ago, Ginaro said:

Their pyramid is out of date though - a better representation would be this, assuming everyone moves over to the WOS and 8 clubs join the EOS.

pyramid.png

64 wosfl clubs in tier 6 as opposed to 16 in the eosfl? I dont think so.

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27 minutes ago, RedEd said:

Hardly rewriting history. Your account is quite detailed, and confirms that Whitletts were active in the successful attempt to change the league structure.

They were indeed instrumental, although the Whitletts proposal originally included a regionalised 3rd level.

Hopefully you'll understand my preference for having Pollok's contribution recognised also.

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16 minutes ago, Baldie2k19 said:

64 wosfl clubs in tier 6 as opposed to 16 in the eosfl? I dont think so.

Not too sure of the relevance of what happens in the EoSL? An established league that went through the same process as the newly formed WoSL is about to go through.

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1 hour ago, RedEd said:

The graphic is very helpful, particularly for folk who don't know much about the non-league structure in Scotland. They've got the number of teams /games in the Highland and EoS wrong. Minor thing though.

They've also got the number of playoff spots in the SPFL Championship, League 1 & League 2 incorrect (should be 3, not 1). 

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