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So its looking likely everyone will end up signing up as there won't be much left behind. When it comes to Conferences does anyone have a preference to how they would be sorted?

  1. Division/Points from 2019/20.
  2. Division/Average PPG from 2019-20.
  3. Division/Points+Average PPG for outstanding fixtures from 2019-20.
  4. If 2019-20 is ruled null & void using the 2018-19 final tables
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The current list of 33 clubs that propose to join the WoSFL:


1. Clydebank (SJFA West Region Premiership)

2. Kilwinning Rangers (SJFA West Region Premiership)

3. Rutherglen Glencairn (SJFA West Region Premiership)

4. Bellshill Athletic (SJFA West League One)

5. Drumchapel United (Central Scottish Amateur Premier Division)

6. Neilston Juniors (SJFA West Region Championship)

7. Maryhill (SJFA West League One)

8. Kello Rovers (SJFA West League One)

9. Blantyre Victoria (SJFA West Region Championship)

10. Kirkintilloch Rob Roy (SJFA West Region Premiership)

11. Vale of Clyde (SJFA West League Two)

12. Renfrew (SJFA West Region Championship)

13. Royal Albert (SJFA West League One)

14. Arthurlie (SJFA West Region Championship)

15. Newmains United (SJFA West League Two)

16. Kilsyth Rangers (SJFA West Region Championship)

17. Whitletts Victoria (SJFA West Region Championship)

18. Gartcairn Juniors (SJFA West Region Championship)

19. Cambuslang Rangers  (SJFA West Region Championship)

20. Cumbernauld United (SJFA West Region Championship)

21. Glasgow Perthshire (SJFA West League One)

22. Ashfield (SJFA West League Two)

23. Petershill (SJFA West Region Championship)

24. Greenock Juniors (SJFA West League One)

25. Larkhall Thistle (SJFA West League One)

26. Port Glasgow Juniors (SJFA West League One)

27. Pollok (SJFA West Region Premiership)

28. Darvel Juniors (SJFA West Region Championship)

29. Vale of Leven (SJFA West League Two)

30. Glenafton Athletic (SJFA West Region Premiership)

31. Johnstone Burgh (SJFA West League Two)

32. Auchinleck Talbot (SJFA West Region Premiership)

33. Largs Thistle (SJFA West Region Premiership)


SJFA West Region Premiership (8 clubs)

Auchinleck Talbot; Beith Juniors; Benburb; Clydebank; Cumnock Juniors; Glenafton Athletic; Hurlford United; Irvine Meadow; Kilbirnie Ladeside; Kilwinning Rangers; Kirkintilloch Rob Roy; Largs Thistle; Pollok; Rossvale; Rutherglen Glencairn; Troon

SJFA West Region Championship (11 clubs)

Arthurlie; Blantyre Victoria; Cambuslang Rangers; Craigmark Burntonians; Cumbernauld United; Dalry Thistle; Darvel Juniors; Gartcairn Juniors; Irvine Victoria; Kilsyth Rangers; Neilston Juniors; Petershill; Renfrew; Shotts Bon Accord; St Roch's; Whitletts Victoria

SJFA West Region League One (8 clubs)

Ardrossan Winton Rovers; Bellshill Athletic; Carluke Rovers; East Kilbride Thistle; Girvan; Glasgow Perthshire; Greenock Juniors; Kello Rovers; Lanark United; Larkhall Thistle; Lesmahagow; Maryhill; Port Glasgow; Royal Albert; Shettleston; Wishaw Juniors

SJFA West Region League Two (5 clubs)

Annbank United; Ardeer Thistle; Ashfield; Forth Wanderers; Johnstone Burgh; Lugar Boswell Thistle; Maybole Juniors; Muirkirk Juniors; Newmains United; Saltcoats Victoria; St Anthony's; Thorniewood United; Vale of Clyde; Vale of Leven; Yoker Athletic

South of Scotland League (0 clubs)

Abbey Vale; Bonnyton Thistle; Caledonian Braves Res; Creetown; Heston Rovers; Lochar Thistle; Lochmaben; Mid-Annandale; Newton Stewart; Nithsdale Wanderers; St Cuthbert Wanderers; Stranraer Res; Threave Rovers; Upper Annandale; Wigtown & Bladnoch

Amateurs (1 club)

Drumchapel United PYM; Glasgow University; Oban Saints; Strathclyde University

More applicants to follow to be added to the growing list! Will only include official announcements.

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33 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:

So its looking likely everyone will end up signing up as there won't be much left behind. When it comes to Conferences does anyone have a preference to how they would be sorted?

  1. Division/Points from 2019/20.
  2. Division/Average PPG from 2019-20.
  3. Division/Points+Average PPG for outstanding fixtures from 2019-20.
  4. If 2019-20 is ruled null & void using the 2018-19 final tables

The names from each Division are put in 4 separate bags. Then drawn out so each conference has 4 Premership clubs, 4 Championship, 4 League One and 4 League 2. Then divided up at the end of the season in the same format for the following seasons League.

EDIT : Nobody going to point out the obvious flaw in this plan? Which bag to put the non-Junior entrants in? These would need to be randomly chosen as well.

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35 Clubs which have Applied so far/have said that they will be applying:    
Premiership (10) Championship (11) League One (8) League Two (5) Others (1)
Auchinleck Talbot Arthurlie Bellshill Athletic Ashfield Drumchapel Utd PYM
Clydebank Blantyre Victoria Glasgow Perthshire Johnstone Burgh  
Glenafton Athletic Cambuslang Rangers Greenock Juniors Newmains United  
Kilbirnie Ladeside Cumbernauld United Kello Rovers Vale of Clyde  
Kilwinning Rangers Darvel Larkhall Thistle Vale of Leven  
Kirkintilloch Rob Roy Gartcairn Juniors Maryhill    
Largs Thistle Kilsyth Rangers Port Glasgow Juniors    
Pollok Neilston Juniors Royal Albert    
Rutherglen Glencairn Petershill      
Troon Renfrew      
  Whitletts Victoria      
         
Not known to have applied so far:      
Beith Juniors Craigmark Burntonians Ardrossan Winton Rovers Annbank United  
Benburb Dalry Thistle Carluke Rovers Ardeer Thistle  
Cumnock Juniors Irvine Victoria East Kilbride Thistle Forth Wanderers  
Hurlford United Shotts Bon Accord Girvan Lugar Boswell Thistle  
Irvine Meadow XI St Roch's Lanark United Maybole Juniors   
Rossvale   Lesmahagow Juniors Muirkirk Juniors  
    Shettleston Saltcoats Victoria  
    Wishaw Juniors St Anthony's  
      Thorniewood United  
      Yoker Athletic  
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2 hours ago, the rambler said:

If the season started the first Saturday in August and this is doubtful as Clubs want to play a few friendlies first. Will we be back for July? And the League has to finish by the last Saturday in April that is 9 months or 39/40 Saturdays. Add 4 midweek dates in August but deduct 4 Saturdays for bad weather.

If there are 4 Conferences of 17 teams and 32 League games and  if there are 3 Cup competitions, SJC, SCC and WOS and all have a minimum of 2 rounds scheduled, which doesn't take them that deep into the latter rounds, last 32, 32,16 this only leaves 1/2 other Saturdays available.

This doesn't take into account the Senior Scottish Cup as I don't think there will be any West entrants this year apart from Girvan. I am assuming the League Cup will be scrapped.

Cup ties and play offs can be scheduled 2 games a week in May but no doubt successful Clubs will be involved in 2 or 3 of the Cups. Doesn't fit for me.

If the season doesn't start until September then 4 Saturdays and 4 midweek fixtures are lost. 

A decision on Conference sizes has to be made depending on when/if the season actually starts. 

If the season doesn't start until September can the 30th April end date for League games be pushed back? Of course depends on LL. 

 

 

 

 

 

Might have to go with 5 conferences , depending on actual number of applicants. to cut the number of league games down. E.g 13 or 14 teams conferences, 24-26 games.

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2 hours ago, BMan said:

He's still at it. I think my crime was not paying him any attention and ignoring his posts. He doesn't like that. He needs dealt with by the moderators or some help.

 

I knew you would edit or delete this, but rest assured that the screenshot of the original is now with the site administrator. 

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8 minutes ago, Doonhamer1969 said:

Might have to go with 5 conferences , depending on actual number of applicants. to cut the number of league games down. E.g 13 or 14 teams conferences, 24-26 games.

What a great statement from Troon, straight to the point and accurate and informative.

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24 minutes ago, theesel1994 said:

The names from each Division are put in 4 separate bags. Then drawn out so each conference has 4 Premership clubs, 4 Championship, 4 League One and 4 League 2. Then divided up at the end of the season in the same format for the following seasons League.

Do you have some inside knowledge from the LL?

Do they (or you) know there will be 64 teams?

Are you aware that is NOT how they did it in the EOSFL?

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3 minutes ago, Stag Nation said:

Do you have some inside knowledge from the LL?

Do they (or you) know there will be 64 teams?

Are you aware that is NOT how they did it in the EOSFL?

1 - No

2 - I don't. There might be more, there might be less.

3 - I couldn't care less how they did it in the EOSFL. The poster asked if anyone had a preference.

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22 minutes ago, Dev said:

I have included Kilbirnie Ladeside in view of the Gordon Ronney newspaper interview. Also one which was announced back on 23rd March. Troon. It's quite a read:

http://troonfootballclub.co.uk/new-wosfl/

New West of Scotland League

 

23rd March 2020

 

As all of our supporters who attended the “Supporter’s Day” on 14th March and who buy our matchday programme will no doubt know, Junior football is set for possibly the biggest summer of change in it’s 134 year history.

 

A new “West of Scotland Football League” (WoSFL) is currently being formed for this summer under the auspices of the Lowland League, which will sit below the Lowland League (and alongside the South of Scotland League & the East of Scotland League) at Tier 6 of the Scottish Football Pyramid.

 

We had intended to hold a Club E.G.M. , but this obviously isn’t an option at this present time & so the club’s committee have acted upon the response from the floor at the recent “Supporter’s Day” on the 14th March.

 

As a result, Troon Football Club have submitted our application to join the new West of Scotland Football League. We will now form part of the Scottish Football Pyramid System and fulfill what we as a Club voted for two years ago. We believe this is a significant step forward, both on and off the pitch, with exciting times ahead for everyone connected with the club.

 

We are, without doubt, living in unprecedented times during the worldwide spread of the corona-virus, but once circumstances return to a sense of normality (whenever that may be) it is our intention to hold a further supporter’s meeting to inform everyone of our ideas & plans for the future in this new league.

 

FAQs

 

Considering how much mis-information we have seen out there regarding the new league & the pyramid system, we thought it pertinent to include some Frequently Asked Questions to keep all supporters & players updated of all developments:

 

How will the pyramid be made up?

 

The Scottish Football Pyramid is currently structured in the following tiers:

 

 

  1. Scottish Premiership

     

  2. Scottish Championship

     

  3. Scottish League One

     

  4. Scottish League Two

     

  5. Lowland League | Highland League

     

  6. South of Scotland League | East of Scotland League

     

The new West of Scotland League will take it’s place at tier 6, alongside the South of Scotland League & the East of Scotland League.

 

Who will run the new League?

 

The new WOSFL is being formed by the Lowland League, with some assistance from the East of Scotland League & the South of Scotland League.

 

Once the league is officially set-up, and clubs have joined, it will be the responsibility of the member clubs to appoint a new management committee to govern and handle it’s affairs.

 

Is this a Junior League?

 

This is a brand new league, and is a new body. It will not be run by the Scottish Junior FA.

 

How many teams will be in the League?

 

At this stage – we don’t know for certain. The deadline for entries is Tuesday 7th April, after which we will know for sure how many teams will be participating.

 

But with 54+ teams from the Junior leagues signing a declaration to move across, it will be full of familiar names to us.

 

There have also been a number of current East & South-based teams to have shown an interest, as well as some of the top amateur sides, so there will be plenty of fresh impetus into proceedings.

 

Will teams be “cherry-picked” to join?

 

No, there is no limit to the number of teams that will be accepted to the new league.

 

With regards to compliance of ground criteria guidelines, the Leagues will work with Clubs with the expectation that necessary steps will be made over time. 

 

How will the leagues be structured?

 

Again, this is still to be confirmed. And this can’t really be set in stone until after the deadline has closed for entries & we know the exact number of participating teams.

 

There have been calls from the West Region SJFA to maintain the current four leagues structure, which would mean the WOSFL would provide:

 

Tier 6: Premiership
Tier 7: Championship
Tier 8: League One
Tier 9: League Two

 

But this structure would be complicated by the fellow new entries from teams outwith Junior football; and with this being a new entity, should previous Junior standings really be relevant?

 

The most likely suggestion coming from the Lowland League, is that clubs will be split into equal conferences, in exactly the same way the East of Scotland set-up accommodated the influx of Junior teams from the ERSJFA a few years ago.

 

How will these Conferences be set-up?

 

There are a few options in terms of seeding the clubs or even organising geographically, all of which can be looked at seriously once the number of participants are 100% confirmed. Further dialogue will take place then.

 

The Conferences will be for one season only, with the target of producing a 16 team Premier League for the following season.

 

For instance: if we have 4 equal conferences next season, then the top 4 clubs will be promoted to form a 16-team Premier League for season 2021/22.

 

Given the current suspension of football, this may (accidentally) be a good way of starting up next season, as it doesn’t strictly require this season to have been played to a finish before seeding for the conferences.

 

How will promotion from tier 6 work?

 

At the moment, there will be one side promoted every season from tier 6 into the Lowland League at tier 5. Currently, that is decided by way of a play-off between the winners of the South of Scotland League & the East of Scotland League. That will now become a 3-way play-off to include the WOSFL winners.

 

In year 1, there will be a play-ff between the winners of the conferences first before the promotion play-off can take place, but as said above that is only for one season.

 

As only licenced clubs are permitted access to the Lowland League, non-licenced clubs will be omitted from any play-off process.

 

Will clubs be resigning from the SJFA then?

 

Not necessarily, it is certainly not essential to do so.

 

Some clubs will resign if they wish, but clubs joining the new WOSFL are permitted to remain as members of the Scottish Junior Football Association as well as members of the new League.

 

This means the Macron Scottish Junior Cup will continue as planned next season, and will be open to all member clubs. Which may even include teams who had previously left Junior football re-subscribing to partake once more in this historic competition. The Competition Rules of the Scottish Junior Cup will be altered to reflect the need to ensure League Fixtures have priority.

 

Will clubs in the WOSFL play in the “big” Scottish Cup?

 

All clubs who hold an SFA Club Licence are eligible to partake in the William Hill Scottish Cup.

 

At the moment, of the clubs who have noted interest in the WOSFL, there are only a few clubs currently with licences. But, this is expected to rise considerably in the coming few seasons.

 

What is the remaining timescale for the WOSFL?

 

  • 7th April – Close of application process

     

  • Mid-April – Conference set-up expected to be confirmed

     

  • Start of May – completed league proposal goes to SFA for review

     

  • Start of June – SFA AGM, where WOSFL is expected to get approval

     

Any other questions?

 

If there’s anything you want to ask that hasn’t been detailed here, please contact us via email on: info@troonfootballclub.co.uk and we’ll try our best to answer it for you!

 

 

 

Perfectly worded, straight to the point and covers most bases.

Couple of things, I believe some clubs in the EOS might be interested or looked at the new WOS, Dunipace for example but that's all it is at the moment unless a EOS team has applied already which I certainly have no clue of.

 

Also the comment in the statement "There have been calls from the West Region SJFA to maintain the current four leagues structure, which would mean the WOSFL would provide:" was eventually covered in the statement but I believe to include,  there are many 'junior People' would want this and it was brought up exactly the same way to me a few days ago in conversations with a couple of committee men at junior teams and as I said to both. "it doesn't really matter what the junior association want or junior people want, the league has nothing to do with them in regards of administration and organizations, Its the LL, EOS and the SOS who will decide, as they have successfully ran the current structures so far and intend to do the same at the new WOS league"

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7 minutes ago, Stag Nation said:

Do you have some inside knowledge from the LL?

Do they (or you) know there will be 64 teams?

Are you aware that is NOT how they did it in the EOSFL?

I would expect that the WOSFL conferences would be seeded as they were in the EOSFL.  It would still mean 4 clubs from each division in each conference, but Kilwinning, Pollok, Auchinleck and Irvine Meadow/Glenafton* would be seeded into separate conferences. 

* It will depend on whether points per game or current positions are used for seeding purposes.

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I have included Kilbirnie Ladeside in view of the Gordon Ronney newspaper interview. Also one which was announced back on 23rd March. Troon. It's quite a read:
http://troonfootballclub.co.uk/new-wosfl/

New West of Scotland League


23rd March 2020


As all of our supporters who attended the “Supporter’s Day” on 14th March and who buy our matchday programme will no doubt know, Junior football is set for possibly the biggest summer of change in it’s 134 year history.


A new “West of Scotland Football League” (WoSFL) is currently being formed for this summer under the auspices of the Lowland League, which will sit below the Lowland League (and alongside the South of Scotland League & the East of Scotland League) at Tier 6 of the Scottish Football Pyramid.


We had intended to hold a Club E.G.M. , but this obviously isn’t an option at this present time & so the club’s committee have acted upon the response from the floor at the recent “Supporter’s Day” on the 14th March.


As a result, Troon Football Club have submitted our application to join the new West of Scotland Football League. We will now form part of the Scottish Football Pyramid System and fulfill what we as a Club voted for two years ago. We believe this is a significant step forward, both on and off the pitch, with exciting times ahead for everyone connected with the club.


We are, without doubt, living in unprecedented times during the worldwide spread of the corona-virus, but once circumstances return to a sense of normality (whenever that may be) it is our intention to hold a further supporter’s meeting to inform everyone of our ideas & plans for the future in this new league.


FAQs


Considering how much mis-information we have seen out there regarding the new league & the pyramid system, we thought it pertinent to include some Frequently Asked Questions to keep all supporters & players updated of all developments:


How will the pyramid be made up?


The Scottish Football Pyramid is currently structured in the following tiers:



  1. Scottish Premiership
  2. Scottish Championship
  3. Scottish League One
  4. Scottish League Two
  5. Lowland League | Highland League
  6. South of Scotland League | East of Scotland League

The new West of Scotland League will take it’s place at tier 6, alongside the South of Scotland League & the East of Scotland League.


Who will run the new League?


The new WOSFL is being formed by the Lowland League, with some assistance from the East of Scotland League & the South of Scotland League.


Once the league is officially set-up, and clubs have joined, it will be the responsibility of the member clubs to appoint a new management committee to govern and handle it’s affairs.


Is this a Junior League?


This is a brand new league, and is a new body. It will not be run by the Scottish Junior FA.


How many teams will be in the League?


At this stage – we don’t know for certain. The deadline for entries is Tuesday 7th April, after which we will know for sure how many teams will be participating.


But with 54+ teams from the Junior leagues signing a declaration to move across, it will be full of familiar names to us.


There have also been a number of current East & South-based teams to have shown an interest, as well as some of the top amateur sides, so there will be plenty of fresh impetus into proceedings.


Will teams be “cherry-picked” to join?


No, there is no limit to the number of teams that will be accepted to the new league.


With regards to compliance of ground criteria guidelines, the Leagues will work with Clubs with the expectation that necessary steps will be made over time. 


How will the leagues be structured?


Again, this is still to be confirmed. And this can’t really be set in stone until after the deadline has closed for entries & we know the exact number of participating teams.


There have been calls from the West Region SJFA to maintain the current four leagues structure, which would mean the WOSFL would provide:


Tier 6: Premiership
Tier 7: Championship
Tier 8: League One
Tier 9: League Two


But this structure would be complicated by the fellow new entries from teams outwith Junior football; and with this being a new entity, should previous Junior standings really be relevant?


The most likely suggestion coming from the Lowland League, is that clubs will be split into equal conferences, in exactly the same way the East of Scotland set-up accommodated the influx of Junior teams from the ERSJFA a few years ago.


How will these Conferences be set-up?


There are a few options in terms of seeding the clubs or even organising geographically, all of which can be looked at seriously once the number of participants are 100% confirmed. Further dialogue will take place then.


The Conferences will be for one season only, with the target of producing a 16 team Premier League for the following season.


For instance: if we have 4 equal conferences next season, then the top 4 clubs will be promoted to form a 16-team Premier League for season 2021/22.


Given the current suspension of football, this may (accidentally) be a good way of starting up next season, as it doesn’t strictly require this season to have been played to a finish before seeding for the conferences.


How will promotion from tier 6 work?


At the moment, there will be one side promoted every season from tier 6 into the Lowland League at tier 5. Currently, that is decided by way of a play-off between the winners of the South of Scotland League & the East of Scotland League. That will now become a 3-way play-off to include the WOSFL winners.


In year 1, there will be a play-ff between the winners of the conferences first before the promotion play-off can take place, but as said above that is only for one season.


As only licenced clubs are permitted access to the Lowland League, non-licenced clubs will be omitted from any play-off process.


Will clubs be resigning from the SJFA then?


Not necessarily, it is certainly not essential to do so.


Some clubs will resign if they wish, but clubs joining the new WOSFL are permitted to remain as members of the Scottish Junior Football Association as well as members of the new League.


This means the Macron Scottish Junior Cup will continue as planned next season, and will be open to all member clubs. Which may even include teams who had previously left Junior football re-subscribing to partake once more in this historic competition. The Competition Rules of the Scottish Junior Cup will be altered to reflect the need to ensure League Fixtures have priority.


Will clubs in the WOSFL play in the “big” Scottish Cup?


All clubs who hold an SFA Club Licence are eligible to partake in the William Hill Scottish Cup.


At the moment, of the clubs who have noted interest in the WOSFL, there are only a few clubs currently with licences. But, this is expected to rise considerably in the coming few seasons.


What is the remaining timescale for the WOSFL?


  • 7th April – Close of application process
  • Mid-April – Conference set-up expected to be confirmed
  • Start of May – completed league proposal goes to SFA for review
  • Start of June – SFA AGM, where WOSFL is expected to get approval

Any other questions?


If there’s anything you want to ask that hasn’t been detailed here, please contact us via email on: info@troonfootballclub.co.uk and we’ll try our best to answer it for you!



 
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6 minutes ago, Stag Nation said:

Do you have some inside knowledge from the LL?

Do they (or you) know there will be 64 teams?

Are you aware that is NOT how they did it in the EOSFL?

How the EoSFL did it doesn't really apply this season. There are going to be no completed seasons by the looks of things. So you can't base it on final standings of the previous season. That's why I was asking if people had a preference.

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