Footballfirst Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, jimbaxters said: Again forgive my ignorance but will the likes of Bo'ness United, Linlithgow Rose and Bonnyrigg Rose be in it? No. They are no longer members of the SJFA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbaxters Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Just now, Footballfirst said: No. They are no longer members of the SJFA Oh aye, of course. I did say I was ignorant. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beenzon-Toste Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 I'm not sure there was, to be honest.Aye. Ok. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bestsinceslicebread Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 39 minutes ago, Footballfirst said: I think you are spinning the outcome to suit a narrative that the WRJFA got "exactly" what they wanted. The WRJFA set out with a mission to continue to operate their current leagues as the WOSL within the pyramid. The WRJFA will not be running the league, although WR club officials may well be elected to executive positions within the new league set up over time. Yes but a rule should be put in place that the clubs cannot vote any new committee members in for the next 5 years. it should be arranged by the LL, |EOS and SOS to pick the people to run the league, no exception 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Macguire Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 1 hour ago, glensmad said: The ironic thing is that, at the West Region SJFA "extra General Meeting", it was emphasised how important it was to save the SJFA, and several speakers spoke about how great an organisation the West Region SJFA is. Two weeks on from that meeting, we had the West Region SJFA management team phoning round all the clubs to make sure they understand the statement that had just been released, and claims of "all 63 clubs wanted in to the pyramid" which, if true, would effectively end the West Region SJFA's existence. The LL/EoSFL/SoSFL alliance got exactly what they wanted, they didn't back down on anything and they got everything. It wasn't a concession by them to allow the teams to retain SJFA membership, they didn't ask any team to leave the SJFA and made that clear right at the start of the information meeting. All of the concessions came from the juniors end, as allowing SJFA membership without playing in a regional league is a matter for the SJFA clubs to decide. This my understanding also. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 12 minutes ago, glensmad said: I'm not sure there was, to be honest. Heavily skewed in one direction would maybe be the way to phrase it and sometimes you have to let the other party save a bit of face in the interests of a more united future. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marten Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 24 minutes ago, Beenzon-Toste said: It's already been stated that not all clubs will retain their membership of the SJFA. Kilwinning have already said that they are out. That's their choice. The Scottish Junior Cup may become an irrelevance or it may be a way forward. That remains to be seen. At the moment all that can be done is to give it a shot. The new league will be formed which is exactly what everyone supposedly wanted. There's been give and take from both sides. Why are we still fighting? Genuine question, are you aware whether or not the same rule will also apply to current ERJFA clubs, i.e. applying for the EoSFL whilst retaining SJFA membership and participation in the Junior Cup? And could ex-juniors in the EoSFL re-apply to join the SJFA whilst staying in the EoSFL? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glensmad Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Aye. Ok.Touché [emoji39] 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beenzon-Toste Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Genuine question, are you aware whether or not the same rule will also apply to current ERJFA clubs, i.e. applying for the EoSFL whilst retaining SJFA membership and participation in the Junior Cup? And could ex-juniors in the EoSFL re-apply to join the SJFA whilst staying in the EoSFL?Better ask someone from the ERSJFA or EOSL. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Macguire Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 39 minutes ago, Beenzon-Toste said: 1 hour ago, glensmad said: The ones who voiced that opinion clearly at the WRSJFA extra General Meeting. If they had all wanted to be in the pyramid, you wouldn't have had at least a quarter of the clubs not expressing an interest in the LL-WoSFL plan. Not putting forward an expression of interest surely only meant that they preferred the other option that was being discussed at that time. Not that they weren't interested in the Pyramid. Your logic is illogical Toste 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Better ask someone from the ERSJFA or EOSL. So the wrsjfa have left people behind in the sjfa then? [emoji3166] every association for themselves whilst negotiating with a national trophy...... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Better ask someone from the ERSJFA or EOSL. How could anyone in the EoSFL answer that? It's purely a matter for the SJFA. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Macguire Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Let’s not sugar coat this the WRJFA dropped their trousers and gave the LL/EoSL/SoSL everything they wanted. This notion about everyone in is rubbish, they’re only in if they apply. Retaining SJFA membership is a red herring as this was never an issue, not for the LL anyway. The Scottish Junior Cup is an interesting one as there is a caveat which was agreed to by the WRJFA, that Junior members can participate providing league matches are prioritised. On that one I assume it will need to be ratified by the SJFA members at their AGM and they could veto it. So I’m struggling to see exactly what the WRJFA did apart from create uncertainty amongst its own members. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicotina Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 new cup name Alex Salmond Trophy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STRUTHERS Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 How will the SJC fit into the calendar? As all the clubs will be primarily members of the new WoSL under the LL umbrella it's Competitions, league, SCC, other new cups established by the WOSL , they would surely take precedence over a socondary association's fixtures? Especially if not all of the clubs applying don't enter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmontheloknow Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, nicotina said: new cup name Alex Salmond Trophy The Scottish Junior Cup was one everyone wanted to get their hands on. That cup might want to get its hands on everyone else. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 27 minutes ago, Beenzon-Toste said: 32 minutes ago, Marten said: Genuine question, are you aware whether or not the same rule will also apply to current ERJFA clubs, i.e. applying for the EoSFL whilst retaining SJFA membership and participation in the Junior Cup? And could ex-juniors in the EoSFL re-apply to join the SJFA whilst staying in the EoSFL? Better ask someone from the ERSJFA or EOSL. Its entirely down to the SJFA. The EoSFL/EOSFA will probably look for the exact same thing that the WOSFL is looking for and that's their own fixtures prioritised. So league games, South Challenge Cup, Qualifying Cup, League Cup, Alex Jack Cup, King Cup. If you can fit the Junior Cup around that have at it. Now there is the EoS precendent of some of the old SoS sides not playing in the EoSFA competitions, instead continuing to play in the Southern Counties Cup instead. That still leaves you with league, South Challenge Cup and League Cup ahead of the Junior Cup. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 How will the SJC fit into the calendar? As all the clubs will be primarily members of the new WoSL under the LL umbrella it's Competitions, league, SCC, other new cups established by the WOSL , they would surely take precedence over a socondary association's fixtures? Especially if not all of the clubs applying don't enter. Worried about the impact the backward sjfa cup would have on this forward thinking league. Surely clubs who’ve seen the light shouldnt be punished by having fixtures changed for the dinosaurs to play their wee trophy through replays etc? Shouldnt either replays be scrapped or played mid week so as not to interfere with the more important league or prestigious challenge cup? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossBFaeDundee Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Just now, STRUTHERS said: How will the SJC fit into the calendar? As all the clubs will be primarily members of the new WoSL under the LL umbrella it's Competitions, league, SCC, other new cups established by the WOSL , they would surely take precedence over a socondary association's fixtures? Especially if not all of the clubs applying don't enter. That would be for the SJFA to figure out, and I would imagine newly-made senior teams with their new schedules and cups would have to prioritise them over SJC games. Can't help but feel it will go the way of the Regional Cups, which is sad but probably necessary for proper change to take place. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glensmad Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Let’s not sugar coat this the WRJFA dropped their trousers and gave the LL/EoSL/SoSL everything they wanted. This notion about everyone in is rubbish, they’re only in if they apply. Retaining SJFA membership is a red herring as this was never an issue, not for the LL anyway. The Scottish Junior Cup is an interesting one as there is a caveat which was agreed to by the WRJFA, that Junior members can participate providing league matches are prioritised. On that one I assume it will need to be ratified by the SJFA members at their AGM and they could veto it. So I’m struggling to see exactly what the WRJFA did apart from create uncertainty amongst its own members.Spot on. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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