Haywain2002 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 28 minutes ago, Dev said: Hoping that theesel1994 will continue giving us up-dates on new applicants for the WoS but, for now, the latest on who has stated that they've applied and a list of the remainder of the West Juniors: Clubs which have Applied so far: Premiership (4) Championship (1) League One (1) League Two (0) Others (1) Clydebank Neilston Juniors Bellshill Athletic Drumchapel Utd PYM Kilwinning Rangers Kirkintilloch Rob Roy Rutherglen Glencairn Not applied so far: Auchinleck Talbot Arthurlie Ardrossan Winton Rovers Annbank United Beith Juniors Blantyre Victoria Carluke Rovers Ardeer Thistle Benburb Cambuslang Rangers East Kilbride Thistle Ashfield Cumnock Juniors Craigmark Burntonians Girvan Forth Wanderers Glenafton Athletic Cumbernauld United Glasgow Perthshire Johnstone Burgh Hurlford United Dalry Thistle Greenock Juniors Lugar Boswell Thistle Irvine Meadow XI Darvel Kello Rovers Maybole Juniors Kilbirnie Ladeside Gartcairn Juniors Lanark United Muirkirk Juniors Largs Thistle Irvine Victoria Larkhall Thistle Newmains United Pollok Kilsyth Rangers Lesmahagow Juniors Saltcoats Victoria Rossvale Petershill Maryhill St Anthony's Troon Renfrew Port Glasgow Juniors Thorniewood United Shotts Bon Accord Royal Albert Vale of Clyde St Roch's Shettleston Vale of Leven Whitletts Victoria Wishaw Juniors Yoker Athletic At risk of being picky, Kirkintilloch Rob Roy said they are joining, but not that they had applied. And Drumchapel seemed to say that the :new first team' will be Drumchapel United (without the PYM). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz5 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Nothing wrong with having ties to the past. One of the best things about Scottish football is a storied tradition and history. Lots of people associate Junior football with non-SPFL football in Scotland. I think retaining that link while evolving and accepting new entries as part of a pyramid structure would be a great way to tie things together.If those ties to the past come with an entry fee payable to the SJFA for the rights to run the competition and use the trophy it will never be an all in cup.There are, remember, a number of teams out there who went through a lot of abuse, threats etc after their move out of the juniors and more still who have never been junior and have been belittled almost constantly for a decade from that direction. Would, for example, Kelty or Clydebank want to pay money into the SJFA coffers just to play in the Junior Cup? Would Cumbernauld Colts, EK or BSC, the "boys clubs" want to?Only way you get an all in trophy for non league, which you're 100% right is the way to go, is for all sides to give up their "biggest" cup and start a new one. Use the trophy if you want, sure, but it can't be run by one association alone and that certainly can't be the one who has done their best over the last 10 years to alienate a fair percentage of the club's you'd want to enter it.Just my view. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amigan Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 SFA Vase anyone? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 I think Rob Roy will be the first ever team from East Dunbartonshire to play in a senior league. I think that would leave Argyll & Bute, Na h-Eileanan Siar (Western Isles), Shetland and Orkney as the only ones who have still never had a team in a senior league. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Singh Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/spfl-pyramid-masterplan-agreed-juniors-21753119 An SJFA insider said: “We are very confident that all our clubs in the west will move together - that was always our intention to make sure nobody was left behind. “Everybody wanted pyramid and that’s what everyone is getting. “This very much saves the Junior grade. The SJFA is just a body but the 120-odd clubs around the country are the association. “We needed to make sure the Junior Cup was still prevalent and available. It lost its attraction when those east teams left the grade to move to the pyramid but we couldn’t have afforded the west teams also gave up their membership. “That to me has saved the Junior Cup.” Looks to me that the Juniors in the west aren't really 100% into this, all about saving the grade 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beenzon-Toste Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/spfl-pyramid-masterplan-agreed-juniors-21753119 An SJFA insider said: “We are very confident that all our clubs in the west will move together - that was always our intention to make sure nobody was left behind. “Everybody wanted pyramid and that’s what everyone is getting. “This very much saves the Junior grade. The SJFA is just a body but the 120-odd clubs around the country are the association. “We needed to make sure the Junior Cup was still prevalent and available. It lost its attraction when those east teams left the grade to move to the pyramid but we couldn’t have afforded the west teams also gave up their membership. “That to me has saved the Junior Cup.” Looks to me that the Juniors in the west aren't really 100% into this, all about saving the gradeNew name, Terry, but still same bitterness. Embrace the new dawn, Burnie. Holding grudges only holds you back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STRUTHERS Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 https://www.facebook.com/groups/336297951955/permalink/10156747128026956/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haywain2002 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, STRUTHERS said: https://www.facebook.com/groups/336297951955/permalink/10156747128026956/ That's a private group. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 57 minutes ago, Lowland team said: Thats very true.but they would then have to forgo playing at tier 6.and then win or finish in the top 5 of whichever conference league they end up in.said before its every clubs choice. And what exactly does being at tier 6 do for you? Extra grants, extra sponsorship, extra prize money, better entry point into the Scottish cup? Nope. Only advantage is closer promotion to the Lowland League. But Bonnyton aren't licenced. So no promotion. So you're in a 15 team league with two reserves. The South Challenge Cup is their only annual tournament where the majority of teams out with the SOSFL. The other half dozen cups they play in are amongst the same 20 clubs. Maybe they'd see being in a league with 60+ members and closer geographically as a better way to grow the club over the relative meaningless status of Tier 6. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STRUTHERS Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Application in 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glensmad Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 "Everybody wanted pyramid" eh ? Really ?I think we all know that's just utter nonsense. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Terry Singh Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 6 minutes ago, Beenzon-Toste said: New name, Terry, but still same bitterness. Embrace the new dawn, Burnie. Holding grudges only holds you back. FFS naw Whoever the anonymous source for the Record is they are spouting pish 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glensmad Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Lol, they've copied that wording almost exactly from Glencairn's Facebook update last night. [emoji23] https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2588642091378768&id=1484383321804656 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STRUTHERS Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Trailblazers [emoji23]Lol, they've copied that wording almost exactly from Glencairn's Facebook update last night. [emoji23] https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2588642091378768&id=1484383321804656 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Starko Rover Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Bin both SJC And SCC and stick their trophies in the museum at Hampden. Make a new cup for every team tier 5 down with a new trophy. No Senior no Junior just football teams. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cameron Wilson Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 6 minutes ago, Terry Singh said: FFS naw Whoever the anonymous source for the Record is they are spouting pish Not to mention the Record itself up to its usual poor standards of accuracy about anything not related to the ugly sisters, describing the WSOL as the "final" piece of the jigsaw. Try telling that to Tayside. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Singh Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Bin both SJC And SCC and stick their trophies in the museum at Hampden. Make a new cup for every team tier 5 down with a new trophy. No Senior no Junior just football teams. Melt them both down and make a big f*ck off Champions League style one [emoji3] 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmontheloknow Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 https://pollokfc.com/2020/03/25/west-of-scotland-league-proposal/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=west-of-scotland-league-proposal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 It's not a fallacy though is it? The Junior Cup is the best tournament in non-SPFL football aside from the senior Scottish Cup. Nothing wrong with retaining a link to the past as we move into the future. Get every team from tier 5 down into an all-in cup tournament and retain the Junior name and trophy. Retire the South Challenge Cup.It is a cup that splits opinion. I played junior for pretty much my entire career and didn't get excited about the cup. It is a fallacy that it's the best non league cup for me, all it did was delay my season and meant I played sat, mon, wed, sat in may and june. Which was frankly, pish.Some think it is great, some (like me) dont see the fuss.The scottish cup is for licensed clubs only. Not everyone will be licensed in the next few years.A lowland league cup (tier 5, tier 6 etc) should replace the junior cup and south challenge for me. Makes more sense than 8 different cups to squeeze into a season around a league season (the most important element of any season)This is typical of junior football though, this is meant to be a two footed leap forward, not a step forward with the other foot still grounded in the past. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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