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Junior football, what is the future?


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Nice.
That's 17 clubs in each conference, so 32 matches? Might be a bit high when you remember that 1) there will be a play-off to pick a champion, which will mean 3 or 6 more matches and 2) the champion may enter a play-off with the winners of the SoS and EoS for promotion to the LL, which could be 2 or 4 more matches. And the WoSL leagues would need to finish at the same time as the EoS and SoS leagues, so you could be trying to play 35-38 games by the first week in May. All this in a season that may be shortened because of The Great Disease.
Might need to stay flexible on the format?
And then the Scottish Junior Cup thrown in as well for the teams who choose to be in it ? Just seems like a competition too far in my personal opinion.
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38 minutes ago, GordonS said:

Nice.

That's 17 clubs in each conference, so 32 matches? Might be a bit high when you remember that 1) there will be a play-off to pick a champion, which will mean 3 or 6 more matches and 2) the champion may enter a play-off with the winners of the SoS and EoS for promotion to the LL, which could be 2 or 4 more matches. And the WoSL leagues would need to finish at the same time as the EoS and SoS leagues, so you could be trying to play 35-38 games by the first week in May. All this in a season that may be shortened because of The Great Disease.

Might need to stay flexible on the format?

Indeed. Five conferences of 13-14?

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1 minute ago, surely not! said:

With regards to the Junior cup. I have a feeling that it will continue as it has for the last few seasons then see a gradual drop off in entrants over the next few seasons.

Or there is a drive to merge it with South Regional Challenge Cup to have an 'all in comp' for all Scottish non-league sides bar Highland (who may even be tempted).

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Seeing Meadow have posted this on FB:

Club Statement Re Pyramid.

Further to the latest PWG meeting. it has been decided that West Region Teams will join the new WOSL within the Pyramid.

Can Shareholders please indicate which option they would prefer by sending their vote to lynmcfarlane9@gmail.com by Sunday 29th March.

Option A WOSL and SJFA Membership, including Scottish Junior Cup

Option B WOSL Membership without Scottish Junior Cup.

Option C. Teams not joining WOSL WILL probably have to set up a new League in the West Region.

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12 minutes ago, Stag Nation said:

Indeed. Five conferences of 13-14?

As @surely not! says above, you could find a champion with 2 knock-out games, which is still 34 league games (plus LL play-off for the winner).

Five conferences in one season would lead to some brutal splits. You could well have a handful of points splitting teams between tier 7 and tier 9 for the following season. It would be exciting though. 

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2 hours ago, Salvo Montalbano said:
10 hours ago, Jerry Macguire said:
I find your lack of comprehension somewhat disturbing. Perhaps this isn’t the subject for you. emoji23.pngemoji23.png

Aye, to be fair I hadn't read the full thing properly. - I assumed they were still after the all-in solution while saying that clubs didn't have to apply, then someone else said that teams who didn't apply wouldn't be able to get promoted, making it appear that everyone would be in the new set up with some in a half-in, half-out position. I've read it properly now though and clearly they still aren't going for an official all-in or none-in position (although they seem to be lobbying every club to get them to join) so if there are any hold outs like the West Lothian clubs they'll be Juniors outside the pyramid. It'll be interesting to see if anyone wants to do that, or if the continued membership of the association and entry to the Junior Cup with sway them. If it does, will the SJFA extend that option to the West Lothian clubs and try to get them into the EoS League in the last season of conferences there?

I don't believe the SJFA or WRJs have any influence over this. It's up to the club's themselves to decide their own future now. Some may choose to live outside the Pyramid for a bit to see how it goes, but the door will remain open to them in future, albeit further down the Pyramid. We played Lochee in the Scottish Cup this season and speaking to some of their supporters, they were adamant about not joining but at the same time lamented the fact they no longer had the really big games to look forward to. At the end of the day each club needs to choose whats best for them. And that's the way it should be.

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29 minutes ago, Jerry Macguire said:

I don't believe the SJFA or WRJs have any influence over this. It's up to the club's themselves to decide their own future now. Some may choose to live outside the Pyramid for a bit to see how it goes, but the door will remain open to them in future, albeit further down the Pyramid. We played Lochee in the Scottish Cup this season and speaking to some of their supporters, they were adamant about not joining but at the same time lamented the fact they no longer had the really big games to look forward to. At the end of the day each club needs to choose whats best for them. And that's the way it should be.

To be honest, the Tayside situation is still not resolved. If there is a decent solution and all of Tayside can move into the pyramid on way or the other whilst still mainly playing each other I guess a lot more people will be positive about it. Currently the only way to join is to get a license and apply to the HL and not many people fancy that. Joining through Tayside moving in en-masse (possibly together with the NRJFA) would be a different case.

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3 minutes ago, Marten said:

To be honest, the Tayside situation is still not resolved. If there is a decent solution and all of Tayside can move into the pyramid on way or the other whilst still mainly playing each other I guess a lot more people will be positive about it. Currently the only way to join is to get a license and apply to the HL and not many people fancy that. Joining through Tayside moving in en-masse (possibly together with the NRJFA) would be a different case.

If brechin are coming into LL  then the solution is presented (IMO).

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So, let's say for example there are four conferences of 17 teams each = 32 games.

Then there's the South Challenge Cup, containing 138 teams = potentially 8 games for the teams that get to the final.

Then a probable West of Scotland Cup containing (say) 68 teams = potentially 7 games for the teams that get to the final.

So that's 47 games already, before you even count the Scottish Junior Cup into the equation.

Is it really realistic for the successful teams to take part in the Scottish Junior Cup as well as the mandatory competitions ?

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Just now, glensmad said:

So, let's say for example there are four conferences of 17 teams each = 32 games.

Then there's the South Challenge Cup, containing 138 teams = potentially 8 games for the teams that get to the final.

Then a probable West of Scotland Cup containing (say) 68 teams = potentially 7 games for the teams that get to the final.

So that's 47 games already, before you even count the Scottish Junior Cup into the equation.

Is it really realistic for the successful teams to take part in the Scottish Junior Cup as well as the mandatory competitions ?

Would any of these teams also be eligible for the Scottish Cup?

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On 22/03/2020 at 23:39, theesel1994 said:

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Who's going to be next?

Neilston Juniors.  West Region SJFA. Championship

Guessing that Girvan, Cumnock and Petershill will move too.

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3 minutes ago, glensmad said:

So, let's say for example there are four conferences of 17 teams each = 32 games.

Then there's the South Challenge Cup, containing 138 teams = potentially 8 games for the teams that get to the final.

Then a probable West of Scotland Cup containing (say) 68 teams = potentially 7 games for the teams that get to the final.

So that's 47 games already, before you even count the Scottish Junior Cup into the equation.

Is it really realistic for the successful teams to take part in the Scottish Junior Cup as well as the mandatory competitions ?

ask talbot!

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There is no need for the junior cup at all. Merge the south challenge and junior cup into one big cup, gives everyone less games, less fuss and less headaches.

Junior fans must get over the fallacy that everyone thinks the junior cup is the best cup out there, clubs should be looking forward, not back, whilst reminiscing about the good old days, thus will hold everyone back.

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