Dev Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 2 hours ago, Stag Nation said: If I understand the SJFA constitution, when any or all of the West junior clubs join a new non-Junior league, they will either have to resign from the Juniors or be expelled. Presumably the SJFA will soldier on with those left, plus the remnants of the East and North. At some stage there will be too few to continue, and the last few will vote to wind it up and enjoy a share of the £500k reserves! …. so it may be sound financial sense for clubs to wind up the SJFA before they resign! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 2 hours ago, stulch said: 2 hours ago, Cameron Wilson said: Hope these positive vibes aren't yet another junior ruse to stall for time until it's too late to change anything for next season. Certainly a concern at the back of my mind. Hopefully completely unfounded. The Lowland League/EoS/SoS need to watch out for this and set a hard and fast dead-line for the Juniors Association(s) to conclude matters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdinburghBlue Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Now that there's no football to talk about, we can fully focus on this thread to keep us going [emoji23]Some of the posters need to self-isolate 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 So the new league is the West of Scotland Football League. Fines, Discipline etc will be in line with SFA rules. But Junior football isn't come to an end in the West of Scotland. Does that mean all the talk we've heard about the specialness and uniqueness of the grade can be boiled down to a cup competition? Since that's all that would be left of Junior football in the West of Scotland by the sounds of it. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glensmad Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 The Lowland League/EoS/SoS need to watch out for this and set a hard and fast dead-line for the Juniors Association(s) to conclude matters.I am confident that, if there is no agreement at the next PWG meeting, then the LL will press on with their original plan and timescales. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said: So the new league is the West of Scotland Football League. Fines, Discipline etc will be in line with SFA rules. But Junior football isn't come to an end in the West of Scotland. Does that mean all the talk we've heard about the specialness and uniqueness of the grade can be boiled down to a cup competition? Since that's all that would be left of Junior football in the West of Scotland by the sounds of it. The compromise is the LL run everything except The Specialness and Uniqueness Department, which will remain Junior. Edited March 13, 2020 by Sergeant Wilson 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Informer Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Meanwhile it turns out the protest at Hampden went ahead. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 48 minutes ago, Born To Run said: For the avoidance of doubt, any league in the pyramid will follow the SFA disciplinary rules on and off the field. There will be no fines, permits etc. Would that apply if all of the west Juniors are in the league? Or would some remain outside this "no fines, permits, etc " situation? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Informer Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Just now, Dev said: Would that apply if all of the west Juniors are in the league? Or would some remain outside this "no fines, permits, etc " situation? All as far as I am aware 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 48 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: Here come the red dot nutters again. If you deviate slightly from the Sendero Luminoso of ending any trace of the junior grade once and for all you must be bludgeoned into submission and silenced. Good to hear cooler heards are coming to the fore and fingers crossed things go well on the 23rd. That would still leave time for Whitburn and co to see sense in the east and get applications in for the EoS. Agreed but it's going to be difficult to have a lot of faith in the West Juniors because of their deep involvement with that which didn't happen previously! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said: So the new league is the West of Scotland Football League. Fines, Discipline etc will be in line with SFA rules. But Junior football isn't come to an end in the West of Scotland. Does that mean all the talk we've heard about the specialness and uniqueness of the grade can be boiled down to a cup competition? Since that's all that would be left of Junior football in the West of Scotland by the sounds of it. Almost sounds as though the current west Juniors will be both Senior and Junior at the same time? If that's about it (?) who would administer the rules etc? I will be keen to see what actually emerges from all of this! Edited March 13, 2020 by Dev . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theesel1994 Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, Dev said: Agreed but it's going to be difficult to have a lot of faith in the West Juniors because of their deep involvement with that which didn't happen previously! Slight difference now is there is an alternative. Before there was no alternative to the West Region League. They know how much the Scottish Junior Cup was diminished when the East Region clubs left. If the West clubs were to leave as well it would be all over. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theesel1994 Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Dev said: Almost sounds as though the current west Juniors will be both Senior and Junior at the same time? If that's about it (?) who would administer the rules etc? 63 more Girvans. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmontheloknow Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Dev said: Almost sounds as though the current west Juniors will be both Senior and Junior at the same time? If that's about it (?) who would administer the rules etc? Schrodinger's Grade. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshmallo Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Burnie_man said: Anything that keeps the SJFA involved is not a truly independent WoSFL the same as EoSFL and SoSFL, the Junior clubs who moved into the EoS relinquished SJFA membership, that should be a non-negotiable requirement. Will it be a brand new league, or rebranded WRJFA? -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 33 minutes ago, Dev said: Almost sounds as though the current west Juniors will be both Senior and Junior at the same time? If that's about it (?) who would administer the rules etc? ... Sounds like it's similar to how the Old Firm are members of the SFA, SPFL and Glasgow FA at the same time. Almost everything gets run by the SFA and the senior league they are in, but they also get to play in a cup competition run by an affiliated FA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert James Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 29 minutes ago, theesel1994 said: 63 more Girvans. There clearly isn't going to be "63 more Girvans", all with dual SFA & SJFA membership ! The overriding question is : does the compromise mean that all of the West Junior clubs will join the WoSFL ? Or will there be an agreed senior/junior split ? For example, the top clubs moving across to the new senior league (at Tier 6), with the other clubs staying within a separate West Junior League ? A residual West Junior League could accommodate those clubs which have no pyramid aspirations, want to stay in the grade, have no intention of getting licensed, and will continue to play in the Junior Cup. I doubt that the WRJFA can commit all of the current West Junior clubs into joining the WoSFL, in time for 2020/21, or possibly not at all ? The principle here, has been that each club should decide its own future, which may not be deliverable (or desirable). Could this be the basis of the compromise ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8MileBU Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 2 hours ago, LongTimeLurker said: Here come the red dot nutters again. If you deviate slightly from the Sendero Luminoso of ending any trace of the junior grade once and for all you must be bludgeoned into submission and silenced. Good to hear cooler heards are coming to the fore and fingers crossed things go well on the 23rd. That would still leave time for Whitburn and co to see sense in the east and get applications in for the EoS. This is the thing that seems to be often misunderstood by pro-juniors: Nobody who left actually wanted the Junior grade to end. A better platform than the SJFA could offer simply became the only viable option. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the rambler Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) West Region Juniors join WOSFL en masse. May not need to submit application. SJFA membership is retained as is entry to Scottish Cup. (East Juniors should have the option to re-join SJFA if they wish to participate in Scottish Cup). WOSFL rules apply, no reinstatement or player fines, or permits for friendlies or limits on squad sizes etc League fixtures take precedence, Scottish Cup will be fitted in. Possible changes to replays and 2 legged semi finals. Win, win for everyone if this goes ahead. Well done Gordon Ronney and LL for hopefully making this happen. Edited March 13, 2020 by the rambler 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted March 13, 2020 Author Share Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) 29 minutes ago, the rambler said: West Region Juniors join WOSFL en masse. May not need to submit application. SJFA membership is retained as is entry to Scottish Cup. (East Juniors should have the option to re-join SJFA if they wish to participate in Scottish Cup). WOSFL rules apply, no reinstatement or player fines, or permits for friendlies or limits on squad sizes etc League fixtures take precedence, Scottish Cup will be fitted in. Possible changes to replays and 2 legged semi finals. Win, win for everyone if this goes ahead. Well done Gordon Ronney and LL for hopefully making this happen. Nope. Red line. A fully independent WoSFL is the way forward, the LL can set this up and invite applications and it will happen. This is a very uneccesary distraction to moving forward. EDIT: when do the ERJFA and NRJFA get a say in all of this? Edited March 13, 2020 by Burnie_man 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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