theesel1994 Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, Born To Run said: Further clarifications: - Any concern that this is a “ruse” can be dispelled. There is genuine will on all sides to get this done. - We are talking purely about the WRSJFA. The North and East are not part of this scenario. I'm assuming the clubs that have officials on the Management Committee were there too representing their clubs. Did they give off the same positive vibe? (Maybe it is different club delegates to those on the Management Committee). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archieb Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 15 minutes ago, nicotina said: Lok egm. 23march pandemic allowing Nope, it's 24th March! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted March 13, 2020 Author Share Posted March 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, Born To Run said: Further clarifications: - Any concern that this is a “ruse” can be dispelled. There is genuine will on all sides to get this done. - We are talking purely about the WRSJFA. The North and East are not part of this scenario. Anything that keeps the SJFA involved is not a truly independent WoSFL the same as EoSFL and SoSFL, the Junior clubs who moved into the EoS relinquished SJFA membership, that should be a non-negotiable requirement. Will it be a brand new league, or rebranded WRJFA? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Burnie_man said: Anything that keeps the SJFA involved is not a truly independent WoSFL the same as EoSFL and SoSFL, the Junior clubs who moved into the EoS relinquished SJFA membership, that should be a non-negotiable requirement. Will it be a brand new league, or rebranded WRJFA? Also makes you wonder if the clubs applying to the EoSFL from the East Region might try and retain SJFA membership. They can say the West are doing it, why can't they. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Further clarifications: - Any concern that this is a “ruse” can be dispelled. There is genuine will on all sides to get this done. - We are talking purely about the WRSJFA. The North and East are not part of this scenario.Yeh, thats not reassuring in the slightest tbh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born To Run Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, theesel1994 said: I'm assuming the clubs that have officials on the Management Committee were there too representing their clubs. Did they give off the same positive vibe? (Maybe it is different club delegates to those on the Management Committee). The whole room was positive - surprisingly so. Tweeted about it earlier to agreement from Junior and Senior figures! @Inanimate Carbon Rod I don’t think anything I can say will change your mind in that case. Proof will be in the pudding as they say... Edited March 13, 2020 by Born To Run 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theesel1994 Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, Burnie_man said: Anything that keeps the SJFA involved is not a truly independent WoSFL the same as EoSFL and SoSFL, the Junior clubs who moved into the EoS relinquished SJFA membership, that should be a non-negotiable requirement. Will it be a brand new league, or rebranded WRJFA? As long as the SJFA are only involved in the Scottish Junior Cup and not fines or their own player taxes. And the Scottish takes place secondary to the League then I wouldn't object to that. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNU_Linux Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 One interesting point is with the Junior Cup being relegated to a county cup of sorts then surely the Scottish Cup place it offers currently has to come into question. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Burnie_man said: Anything that keeps the SJFA involved is not a truly independent WoSFL the same as EoSFL and SoSFL, the Junior clubs who moved into the EoS relinquished SJFA membership, that should be a non-negotiable requirement. Will it be a brand new league, or rebranded WRJFA? I'd be amazed if clubs like Bo'ness United (could be difficult because of the Mini Me tribute act), Lithgae Rose and Bonnyrigg Rose didn't jump at the chance of getting into the Junior Cup again, if it was a cup competition only involvement and the senior grade would fully control the fixture list. Being able to integrate the junior cup into the senior nonleague (yes we know you don't like that terminology, Glensmad) pyramid would be a victory for common sense. Will believe it when I see it though as I find it hard to believe there won't be more Mosspark Bowling Club sort of stuff before this twenty year plus journey reaches its final destination. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted March 13, 2020 Author Share Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, theesel1994 said: As long as the SJFA are only involved in the Scottish Junior Cup and not fines or their own player taxes. And the Scottish takes place secondary to the League then I wouldn't object to that. This is where compromise muddys the waters, I don't understand why the LL just didn't stick to their intended path and invite applications to the new WoSFL without agreeing to take on baggage. They had no need. Chances are now, if there is SJFA involvement, we'll have some LL feeder clubs playing in a Junior Cup, and some in the South Cup. We'll have some WoSFL clubs claiming they're still Junior clubs yadayada. Edited March 13, 2020 by Burnie_man 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBadBassRock Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Stag Nation said: Presumably the SJFA will soldier on with those left, plus the remnants of the East and North. At some stage there will be too few to continue, and the last few will vote to wind it up and enjoy a share of the £500k* reserves! * minus legal fees. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimme Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 I'd be amazed if clubs like Bo'ness United (could be difficult because of the Mini Me tribute act), Lithgae Rose and Bonnyrigg Rose didn't jump at the chance of getting into the Junior Cup again, if it was a cup competition only involvement and the senior grade would fully control the fixture list. Being able to integrate the junior cup into the senior nonleague (yes we know you don't like that terminology, Glensmad) pyramid would be a victory for common sense. Will believe it when I see it though as I find it hard to believe there won't be more Mosspark Bowling Club sort of stuff before this twenty year plus journey reaches its final destination. We play enough games as it is, can't see much appetite for another cup to be honest. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 11 minutes ago, theesel1994 said: As long as the SJFA are only involved in the Scottish Junior Cup and not fines or their own player taxes. And the Scottish takes place secondary to the League then I wouldn't object to that. The line the SJFA said around still having fines was it was needed to generate revenue to cover the cost of discipline. If this only applies to the West Region. Can they continue to afford to run discipline in the East and North for those leagues still outside the SFA pyramid. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, Burnie_man said: ...Chances are now, if there is SJFA involvement, we'll have some LL feeder clubs playing in a Junior Cup, and some in the South Cup.... ...or maybe everybody just winds up in the Junior Cup and it's all one big happy family with the LL/EoS/SoS fixture man also controlling what happens with the Junior Cup. The Borg resistance is futile you will be assimilated scenario. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peasyman Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Can someone clarify - there were two meetings - the PWG in afternoon and WoSL (LL) in the evening.Two meetings took place 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born To Run Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 For the avoidance of doubt, any league in the pyramid will follow the SFA disciplinary rules on and off the field. There will be no fines, permits etc. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Here come the red dot nutters again. If you deviate slightly from the Sendero Luminoso of ending any trace of the junior grade once and for all you must be bludgeoned into submission and silenced. Good to hear cooler heards are coming to the fore and fingers crossed things go well on the 23rd. That would still leave time for Whitburn and co to see sense in the east and get applications in for the EoS. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Just now, Born To Run said: For the avoidance of doubt, any league in the pyramid will follow the SFA disciplinary rules on and off the field. There will be no fines, permits etc. Yes, but if this only relates to the West Region. The SJFA still have the North and East Region to administer. Fines and permits is how it funds itself to administer discipline currently. They lose half that income with the loss of the West. Can the SJFA still fulfill that function for their other regions going forward? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Bear in mind there's supposed to be a north pyramid meeting happening soon as well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: This is why this ‘compromise’ is a fucking mess. Just apply for the wosl, get the wrjfa in the bin if you want to stay fine and get on with it. This is nothing but a stalling tactic for the dafties to preserve their wee empire. This is a delay which could make it impossible for a WoS administered by the Lowland League to be up and running in time for 2020/21. Beware! The current corona virus will not help either. Edited March 13, 2020 by Dev . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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