Junior football, what is the future?

[Cameron Wilson]

2 minutes ago, gogsy said:

No

Pretty much sums up a certain element of the Juniors then.

[Burnie_man]

Is that a parody account? Serious question.

I do sometimes wonder.

[TheLad]

What kind of proof can there be?
The LL is proposing to set up a feeder league in the west, similar to what they have in the east.
They have asked for interested parties to step forward. They have.
They are asking now for applications, with a closing date.
All of this has been announced and shared.

If there are enough applicants, the league will go ahead. If not, it wont.

What proof exists to show this cannot happen is the question.

If it is within the LL's gift to add a league to their set up, then what is to stop it happening?

I'm still waiting for someone to provide proof of this......
Saying something is happening does not mean it will happen.
 

[TheLad]

In theory, the wjfa option could happen. Totally understandable that Junior teams have this as their preferred option. That makes sense.

If it won't be decided until June and you have put all your eggs in this basket, its risky.
If their proposal is not accepted, then the teams who stuck it out will be back at square one. No access to the pyramid.

That might be fine too.

If some teams decide to apply for WOSL, to avoid the risk of the above, then they will have access to the pyramid of football in Scotland.

If there is a basis in which the LL are not allowed to run this league, I haven't heard or seen it yet.

Can the SFA, HL, SPFL stop it? I simply dont know

From what I hear there does appear to be growing  support for WJFA option if Pyramid entry can be guaranteed. 
The meeting on 12th March will tell us a whole lot more, until then just speculation as to who is going where and how many West League options. 
I hope that this can be resolved so that traditional rivals can continue to play one another and with access to the Pyramid. 

[Lokloyal]

Is this guy from Kilbirnie speaking for Kilbirnie officially or leading some kind of formal group of sorts here.Must admit to being slightly confused as to who he is representing !

[Marten]

9 minutes ago, TheLad said:

In theory, the wjfa option could happen. Totally understandable that Junior teams have this as their preferred option. That makes sense.

If it won't be decided until June and you have put all your eggs in this basket, its risky.
If their proposal is not accepted, then the teams who stuck it out will be back at square one. No access to the pyramid.

That might be fine too.

If some teams decide to apply for WOSL, to avoid the risk of the above, then they will have access to the pyramid of football in Scotland.

If there is a basis in which the LL are not allowed to run this league, I haven't heard or seen it yet.

Can the SFA, HL, SPFL stop it? I simply dont know

The WJFA option can't hapen if the LL don't agree with it. And Ronney's claim that the SFA AGM will decide between the 2 options is just a complete fabrication, they can't decide that.

[Cyclizine]

14 minutes ago, Marten said:

The WJFA option can't hapen if the LL don't agree with it. And Ronney's claim that the SFA AGM will decide between the 2 options is just a complete fabrication, they can't decide that.

The most the SFA could do is reject the WoSFL proposal, given all involved parties have to agree to changes to the playoff. Given this would be against their preference to create a pyramid for clubs across the whole country, I think this is unlikely if it's got the support of the current pyramid leagues.

Since neither the SJFA nor regional Junior FAs are parties to the playoff currently, they really have no say in the matter. They can propose, but it would need all other parties to agree. Not going to happen.

[Marten]

1 minute ago, Cyclizine said:

The most the SFA could do is reject the WoSFL proposal, given all involved parties have to agree to changes to the playoff. Given this would be against their preference to create a pyramid for clubs across the whole country, I think this is unlikely if it's got the support of the current pyramid leagues.

Since neither the SJFA nor regional Junior FAs are parties to the playoff currently, they really have no say in the matter. They can propose, but it would need all other parties to agree. Not going to happen.

It's very unlikely indeed but even if they reject that proposal, the LL can always increase to 2 relegation spots (maybe increase the league to 18 as compensation) and have the winner of the SOS/EOS play-off and the WoSFL champions getting promoted. Then there are no changes to the play-off so it should work in the rules.

[teamfinderscot]

Any lists of the allegeded 46-50 clubs

[Burnie_man]

26 minutes ago, Marten said:

The WJFA option can't hapen if the LL don't agree with it. And Ronney's claim that the SFA AGM will decide between the 2 options is just a complete fabrication, they can't decide that.

He's selling magic beans.

[Born To Run]

9 minutes ago, teamfinderscot said:

Any lists of the allegeded 46-50 clubs

Nope. The Lowland committed to keeping all applicants/interested parties confidential.

[geo87]

Still flabbergasted anyone (especially club committee men) believes anything that comes out this mans (TJ) mouth

[Junior Pub League]

1 hour ago, GordonS said:

I mean, I suppose I've never actually seen a round Earth, so...

Please, stop embarrassing yourself - glib smart answers just make you look like a lickspittle.

And again you cant answer the actual question because you know there is no proof of their being a league starting in July/August.

WoS promises from the LL hold less validity to the West Clubs than the information that is coming from the West Region - at this point in time there is NO WoS league for next season, people saying there is are lying. 

You might as well promise Kilbirnie that they will be playing Barcelona in the league next season, at this point in time it holds as much validity as saying there is guaranteed to be a WoS league next season.

Right now there is no guarantee that there will be a functional WoS next season and neither you or anyone else on here can provide definitive evidence that there will be.

People can flap their gums all they like about constitutions and new leagues but ask yourself - who has the clubs, who has the office at Hampden? How many clubs are signed up to the WRJFA (63), how many clubs are signed up to the WoS (0). At this point there is no league.

Its staggering that  posters are parroting a line whilst simultaneously slagging off Beenze for presenting a differing side of the exact same argument.

Edited March 4, 2020 by Junior Pub League

[Burnie_man]

52 notes of interest.

[Black & Red Socks]

This is just a little something more, piled upon a gathering mountain of evidence, to indicate that Mr. Ronney is heading up a campaign to “save the Juniors” and not necessarily a campaign to offer clubs a pathway to what is ultimately right for them.

 

No clarity of just what the WRSJFA proposal actually is and what substance it has, nothing to dispute the mounting evidence – here and elsewhere and backed up by the cold, hard facts based on the rules and regulations of those other football organisations that have to be interacted with to make what he proposes happen – against the likelihood of his proposal ever coming to pass. Nothing. What we do have is a tug at the heartstrings – a plea that all but poses the question “Surely if an unwell man sees the WRSJFA as the solution to the Pyramid conundrum then it must be so? Surely?”. My word, we have now reached a new and desperate low.

 

Mr. Ronney, the LL/EoSFL WoSFL proposition is a deliverable solution that includes all of the benefits that the EoSFL currently offers the myriad of ex-Junior clubs who moved to be under their auspices over the last two seasons. Please make it clear just how you believe the WRSJFA proposition can match such a solution and how it can overcome the innumerable hurdles in its way. Do this and you may just find that you and the WRSJFA can be taken that bit more seriously.

 

Oh yes, and why did it take until the LL/EoSFL made their offer of facilitating a WoSFL before the WRSJFA/you acted? If you had made just such a move last year then it would almost certainly have attracted the support of the EoSFL and the LL as well as the majority on here – insignificant as posters on a P&B thread are in the whole scheme of things.

[Burnie_man]

2 minutes ago, Junior Pub League said:

Please, stop embarrassing yourself - glib smart answers just make you look like a lickspittle.

And again you cant answer the actual question because you know there is no proof of their being a league starting in July/August.

WoS promises from the LL hold less validity to the West Clubs than the information that is coming from the West Region - at this point in time there is NO WoS league for next season, people saying there is are lying.

You might as well promise Kilbirnie that they will be playing Barcelona in the league next season, at this point in time it holds as much validity as saying there is guaranteed to be a WoS league next season.

Right now there is no guarantee that there will be a functional WoS next season and neither you or anyone else on here can provide definitive evidence that there will be.

People can flap their gums all they like about constitutions and new leagues but ask yourself - who has the clubs, who has the office at Hampden? 

Its staggering that  posters are parroting a line whilst simultaneously slagging off Beenze for presenting a differing side of the exact same argument.

Calm yersel 

[Ross.]

6 minutes ago, Junior Pub League said:

And again you cant answer the actual question because you know there is no proof of their being a league starting in July/August.

There is no proof, but there is plenty of evidence and more keeps appearing.

[Burnie_man]

5 minutes ago, Black & Red Socks said:

ooooft, head in hands stuff 

[AlanCamelonfan]

9 minutes ago, Junior Pub League said:

Please, stop embarrassing yourself - glib smart answers just make you look like a lickspittle.

And again you cant answer the actual question because you know there is no proof of their being a league starting in July/August.

WoS promises from the LL hold less validity to the West Clubs than the information that is coming from the West Region - at this point in time there is NO WoS league for next season, people saying there is are lying. 

You might as well promise Kilbirnie that they will be playing Barcelona in the league next season, at this point in time it holds as much validity as saying there is guaranteed to be a WoS league next season.

Right now there is no guarantee that there will be a functional WoS next season and neither you or anyone else on here can provide definitive evidence that there will be.

People can flap their gums all they like about constitutions and new leagues but ask yourself - who has the clubs, who has the office at Hampden? How many clubs are signed up to the WRJFA (63), how many clubs are signed up to the WoS (0). At this point there is no league.

Its staggering that  posters are parroting a line whilst simultaneously slagging off Beenze for presenting a differing side of the exact same argument.

Pricey how many aliases are you and your boy going to have. Its embarressing. You created one called pub league and were slating the juniors now you are on the juniors side.

[AlanCamelonfan]

9 minutes ago, Black & Red Socks said:

This is just a little something more, piled upon a gathering mountain of evidence, to indicate that Mr. Ronney is heading up a campaign to “save the Juniors” and not necessarily a campaign to offer clubs a pathway to what is ultimately right for them.

 

No clarity of just what the WRSJFA proposal actually is and what substance it has, nothing to dispute the mounting evidence – here and elsewhere and backed up by the cold, hard facts based on the rules and regulations of those other football organisations that have to be interacted with to make what he proposes happen – against the likelihood of his proposal ever coming to pass. Nothing. What we do have is a tug at the heartstrings – a plea that all but poses the question “Surely if an unwell man sees the WRSJFA as the solution to the Pyramid conundrum then it must be so? Surely?”. My word, we have now reached a new and desperate low.

 

Mr. Ronney, the LL/EoSFL WoSFL proposition is a deliverable solution that includes all of the benefits that the EoSFL currently offers the myriad of ex-Junior clubs who moved to be under their auspices over the last two seasons. Please make it clear just how you believe the WRSJFA proposition can match such a solution and how it can overcome the innumerable hurdles in its way. Do this and you may just find that you and the WRSJFA can be taken that bit more seriously.

 

Oh yes, and why did it take until the LL/EoSFL made their offer of facilitating a WoSFL before the WRSJFA/you acted? If you had made just such a move last year then it would almost certainly have attracted the support of the EoSFL and the LL as well as the majority on here – insignificant as posters on a P&B thread are in the whole scheme of things.

they can still have their wrsjfa but it wont be in the pyramid