Ginaro Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, theesel1994 said: One advantage - you know in advance the dates of the semi finals and they don't change their mind half way through the season. Well, it does help that there's no replays, the semis are one legged, postponed games don't keep getting attempted week after week, and they can be played midweek if needed. And in fairness the SJFA did publish a calendar at the start of the season: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019–20_Scottish_Junior_Cup#Calendar Edited March 1, 2020 by Ginaro 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Starko Rover Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 Genuinely can’t see anywhere the SJFA and WRJFA can go, they’ve been out maneuvered by the EOS and LL who’ve become fed up with the SJFA’s unworkable “all in or none in”. If the LL press on with establishing a WOS they only really need 10 teams to get it started then it’s game over for the SJFA south of the Tay line. The entire area will be covered by Senior Leagues and even if the SJFA rally the clubs behind the Grade its only a matter of time before we see a Kelty, a Dalkeith and a Blackburn and then exactly what happened in the East will happen in the West. Sadly the SJFA could have lead the entire shaping of the non SPFL pyramid but they scoffed at the Lowland League idea and refused to compromise. Any clubs that opt for the WOS (WRJFA) idea could well miss the boat here and find themselves a year behind other teams. The boards of every Junior club need to ensure they get all the facts and question every promise by both organisations. Then present the facts to their members so a decision an be reached. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmontheloknow Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 25 minutes ago, Sancho Panza said: In over 1228 pages the singular most sensible post by a mile. Except the WR, going by what Ronney is saying, want to preserve the SJFA. Not compatible POVs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theesel1994 Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 7 minutes ago, cmontheloknow said: Except the WR, going by what Ronney is saying, want to preserve the SJFA. Not compatible POVs. At some point he's going to realise he's not being told the full picture - although he gives out subtle hints that WE aren't getting the full picture. But he won't elaborate on what the full picture is. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanCamelonfan Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, theesel1994 said: At some point he's going to realise he's not being told the full picture - although he gives out subtle hints that WE aren't getting the full picture. But he won't elaborate on what the full picture is. Probably because he doesn't know and is being taken in by the grade mentaltiy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmontheloknow Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 1 minute ago, AlanCamelonfan said: Probably because he doesn't know and is being taken in by the grade mentaltiy But any West official ought to know. The blind have shackled themselves to the blind on this one, trusting the SJFA to negotiate in good faith. The 'grade' and all its baggage was salvagable provided that the SJFA were vanguards in the LL's development. They weren't. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 12 minutes ago, theesel1994 said: At some point he's going to realise he's not being told the full picture - although he gives out subtle hints that WE aren't getting the full picture. But he won't elaborate on what the full picture is. He can't talk about everything but Trust me. It's a done deal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Pub League Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 6 minutes ago, parsforlife said: He can't talk about everything but Trust me. It's a done deal. The first rule of Pyramid club is you do not talk about Pyramid club. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillonearth Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 9 minutes ago, cmontheloknow said: But any West official ought to know. The blind have shackled themselves to the blind on this one, trusting the SJFA to negotiate in good faith. The 'grade' and all its baggage was salvagable provided that the SJFA were vanguards in the LL's development. They weren't. And the current situation is that by adopting the stance they did they've now rendered themselves an irrelevance in the progress of events from now on. Their influence on the road ahead is non-existent and the only tactics they have left at their disposal are appeals to solidarity and a muddying of the waters by the spread of disinformation. From such a strong starting position it's actually stunning how they've mishandled the situation at every turn. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyramidic Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 1 hour ago, San Starko Rover said: See the ERJFA for the answer. Some went and some stayed now they’re slowly filtering over while the ERJFA gets weaker each season. Out of interest have the SJFA/ ERJFA Executive/Management Committee honorariums/salaries been proportionately decreased as the membership decined? What effect did the removal of almost 30 clubs have on ERJFA honorariums. Did TJ "take a hit" with his SJFA "gold-plated" salary? If some 40 clubs leave the WRJFA at the end of the season as expected what impact will this have on WRJFA Management Committee honorariums? Will TJ still keep his SJFA "gold-plated" salary (perhaps with a bonus given the current hassle)? The more that you look at the situation you understand why the SJFA blazers are currently fighting so hard to "keep their slice of the cake". I think that Junior clubs are beginning to see reality through the dispersing mist. It is clear in my view that loyal clubs have been let down for far too long by the vested interests of those that continue to run the Junior grade. It could have been so different if the grade had been run by "men of vision" rather than "well remunerated autocrats". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 5 minutes ago, Hillonearth said: And the current situation is that by adopting the stance they did they've now rendered themselves an irrelevance in the progress of events from now on. Their influence on the road ahead is non-existent and the only tactics they have left at their disposal are appeals to solidarity and a muddying of the waters by the spread of disinformation. From such a strong starting position it's actually stunning how they've mishandled the situation at every turn. It reminds me a bit of 5 a side. You play among your pals for ages and start to think your quite good. Then the guys on the next pitch challenge you to a game and you quickly find out how unfit and shite you are. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNU_Linux Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 8 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said: It reminds me a bit of 5 a side. You play among your pals for ages and start to think your quite good. Then the guys on the next pitch challenge you to a game and you quickly find out how unfit and shite you are. ^^^^ speaking from experience 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 1 minute ago, GNU_Linux said: ^^^^ speaking from experience Absolutely. TBF I'm actually thinking of 7s and Ian Scanlon was in the other team. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 (edited) I don't understand this love of the "grade". Football is football. I've watched Internationals (full, under 23 and amateur), European club competitions, Scottish league (regular top flight, occasional lower divisions matches), Highland league, Irish League (top division and lower division), League of Ireland, an English league game, a junior match, amateur, summer league and kick abouts. Never once have I thought "I must follow this 'grade' to the exclusion of all others, and do all in my power to ensure my team doesn't leave this 'grade'". Edited March 1, 2020 by Jacksgranda 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marconi Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 it is not "loyalty" to the grade ,the S J F A or even the region that concerns west clubs it is concern for the clubs that they have played and built connections with over the years -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvo Montalbano Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 it is not "loyalty" to the grade ,the S J F A or even the region that concerns west clubs it is concern for the clubs that they have played and built connections with over the yearsWho they'd continue to play against in the new league... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btw lads Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 pro darts had a split, look what happened there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crfc Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 it is not "loyalty" to the grade ,the S J F A or even the region that concerns west clubs it is concern for the clubs that they have played and built connections with over the yearsThe sjfa have had 3 years to come up with a plan to keep clubs in the juniors but they could even come up with a plan even taking one from this thread would have been a start so clubs can sit round a table and talk about the future of the scottish game at this level so the clubs have took the wheel and steering there own direction they should be applauded for thinking of the future of the game . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmontheloknow Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 19 minutes ago, marconi said: it is not "loyalty" to the grade ,the S J F A or even the region that concerns west clubs it is concern for the clubs that they have played and built connections with over the years If they all go, what on earth is the problem? And by 'all go' I mean that they all apply to the WoSL, not fudge the issue to give the WRSJFA another 12 months of oxygen. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Pub League Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 53 minutes ago, marconi said: it is not "loyalty" to the grade ,the S J F A or even the region that concerns west clubs it is concern for the clubs that they have played and built connections with over the years So those 30+ clubs who have expressed an interest in the new WoS are having it forced upon them then? Because you seem to think everything is rosey in the garden. On 26/06/2019 at 20:45, marconi said: how many times has it to be said there is NO appetite for a new west league in this region the only way most clubs will move is if it is forced upon them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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