FairWeatherFan Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 (edited) Since we're dealing in facts They've learned nothing from the failure of the PWG meetings! oh and even though the SJFA have meant to have stepped away from proceedings. The WJFA is all about saving the SJFA. Edited March 1, 2020 by FairWeatherFan 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted March 1, 2020 Author Share Posted March 1, 2020 The obvious way to resolve this impasse is for the West Junior leaders to meet with the LL reps and negotiate the correct outcome here because ultimately they want the same thing for the clubs. A new league with rules and constitution would be formed on LL terms, with new posts created from the people coming forward now. A suitable compromise in terms of the format might be that a Premier League is formed of the top 16 placed teams, and go to conferences below that for a season to determine the new structure below it, allowing for new entrants. The overall outcome is the same, so long as everyone is pulling in the same direction. Could this be achieved? No, the LL already had an informal meeting with WRJFA officials where their proposal was handed over. That was reviewed and rejected by the LL board. The demands of the WRJFA are largely unchanged. There is no real grounds for more discussion on the matter as far as I can see. The new WoSFL will happen, and its upto clubs to make a choice, stay Junior or move into the Pyramid. Remember, the WRJFA's own member clubs havent even seen this proposal given to the LL, they have had zero input and have not authorised this course of action. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted March 1, 2020 Author Share Posted March 1, 2020 Since we're dealing in facts [emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787] They've learned nothing from the failure of the PWG meetings! oh and even though the SJFA have meant to have stepped away from proceedings. The WJFA is all about saving the SJFA. They continue to beat the worn path of failure, sticking their proposals into the microwave for a quick reheat now and again.Make no mistake, this is about preserving the SJFA as a meaningful Association and little to do with the Pyramid or what's best. They think the best way to do that is a scorched earth policy of abandoning the east and north and manning the barricades in the west.The best way to preserve the SJFA and Junior football is to just let clubs who want to move to the WoSFL do so, and to concentrate on developing the game at lower levels for those who remain. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 Since we're dealing in facts [emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787] They've learned nothing from the failure of the PWG meetings! oh and even though the SJFA have meant to have stepped away from proceedings. The WJFA is all about saving the SJFA. They do realise that the LL are fully in charge of their promotion and relegation process. To change the promotion process to the LL and the spfl the spfl, LL, eosfl and sosfl have to be involved in the process. The sfa have no part in it. Neither do the sjfa or wrsjfa...... For the avoidance of any doubt, the LL will decide who joins their league through promotion, not the sjfa or wrsjfa. Much the same way as the sjfa and wrsjfa decide who joins their leagues. This is tedious now. Thankfully more rational and logical people are involved in the process. If it were me I'd have walked away and left well alone by now. I fear that junior clubs may well be adversely impacted on by the whole mess being created. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshmallo Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 Salvation of an Association sounds like a cracking pop punk album from 2004. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Pub League Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 Pop quiz - lets say the West all move senior and do dump the East and North to fend for themselves, why then would the SJFA need to exist? why then would their need to be an office at Hampden? why then would clubs in the North and East continue to fund this extravagance? Whichever way this works out the Juniors are finished, this just seems like shafting the non Weegies to ensure certain individuals keep a wage. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Starko Rover Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 Since we're dealing in facts They've learned nothing from the failure of the PWG meetings! oh and even though the SJFA have meant to have stepped away from proceedings. The WJFA is all about saving the SJFA. If Gordon is interested I’ve got some genuine Wembley turf for sale and I’m willing to share my Nigerian lottery winning with him 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shannon Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 What if likes of Kilbirnie through no fault of their fans vote for full West Region SJFA into the pyramid and then don't then decide to join new West of Scotland League as fed apparently false information at meetings that full West will move in tact so no point applying to new West of Scotland League. Its clear as mud for the normal supporters who go to the games and hardly fair on clubs and their supporters who then don't get pyramid access and end up outside pyramid as their office bearers are also in West Region Management Committee or their club believe don't need to apply to new West of Scotland League now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 What if likes of Kilbirnie through no fault of their fans vote for full West Region SJFA into the pyramid and then don't then decide to join new West of Scotland League as fed apparently false information at meetings that full West will move in tact so no point applying to new West of Scotland League. Its clear as mud for the normal supporters who go to the games and hardly fair on clubs and their supporters who then don't get pyramid access and end up outside pyramid as their office bearers are also in West Region Management Committee or their club believe don't need to apply to new West of Scotland League now.If people can’t see through the disinformation then its a shame and they can apply for tier 9 next year. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmontheloknow Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 Yes if clubs follow the Piped Piper of Garnock more fool them. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Shannon said: What if likes of Kilbirnie through no fault of their fans vote for full West Region SJFA into the pyramid and then don't then decide to join new West of Scotland League as fed apparently false information at meetings that full West will move in tact so no point applying to new West of Scotland League. Its clear as mud for the normal supporters who go to the games and hardly fair on clubs and their supporters who then don't get pyramid access and end up outside pyramid as their office bearers are also in West Region Management Committee or their club believe don't need to apply to new West of Scotland League now. The LL/EoS will continue putting together the WoSFL. When all the clubs have put in their notes of interest get contacted about the time and date for the information meeting about the WoSFL, it will be a lot clearer. With something like 3-4 weeks from the meeting to the 31st March deadline it will be obvious to everyone there's only one show in town. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 4 minutes ago, Shannon said: What if likes of Kilbirnie through no fault of their fans vote for full West Region SJFA into the pyramid and then don't then decide to join new West of Scotland League as fed apparently false information at meetings that full West will move in tact so no point applying to new West of Scotland League. Its clear as mud for the normal supporters who go to the games and hardly fair on clubs and their supporters who then don't get pyramid access and end up outside pyramid as their office bearers are also in West Region Management Committee or their club believe don't need to apply to new West of Scotland League now. Officials at clubs have a responsibility to keep reasonably up to date with what's going on. If they can't see that resigning from the SJFA and joining the new WoSFL is the only way into the pyramid then they're either gullible or disingenuous. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Starko Rover Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 What if likes of Kilbirnie through no fault of their fans vote for full West Region SJFA into the pyramid and then don't then decide to join new West of Scotland League as fed apparently false information at meetings that full West will move in tact so no point applying to new West of Scotland League. Its clear as mud for the normal supporters who go to the games and hardly fair on clubs and their supporters who then don't get pyramid access and end up outside pyramid as their office bearers are also in West Region Management Committee or their club believe don't need to apply to new West of Scotland League now.See the ERJFA for the answer. Some went and some stayed now they’re slowly filtering over while the ERJFA gets weaker each season. The boards should be doing all the research to give the supporters all the facts to make a decision. The fact is only the LL option guarantees entry to the pyramid, the SJFA and WRJFA can not do this without the backing of the LL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted March 1, 2020 Author Share Posted March 1, 2020 7 minutes ago, Shannon said: What if likes of Kilbirnie through no fault of their fans vote for full West Region SJFA into the pyramid and then don't then decide to join new West of Scotland League as fed apparently false information at meetings that full West will move in tact so no point applying to new West of Scotland League. Its clear as mud for the normal supporters who go to the games and hardly fair on clubs and their supporters who then don't get pyramid access and end up outside pyramid as their office bearers are also in West Region Management Committee or their club believe don't need to apply to new West of Scotland League now. As I pointed out a page or two back, clubs should be hammering the SJFA/WRJFA for detailed information, ask them for the proposals, ask them on whose authority this course of action has been taken, ask them what guarantees they have received from the SFA, ask them if they are guaranteed Pyramid entry. History should tell clubs not to sit back and accept what they're being told, and they have little over 4 weeks to decide. At least the LL will be offering a forum shortly where questions can be asked concerning the WoSFL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sancho Panza Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 48 minutes ago, Che Dail said: The obvious way to resolve this impasse is for the West Junior leaders to meet with the LL reps and negotiate the correct outcome here because ultimately they want the same thing for the clubs. A new league with rules and constitution would be formed on LL terms, with new posts created from the people coming forward now. A suitable compromise in terms of the format might be that a Premier League is formed of the top 16 placed teams, and go to conferences below that for a season to determine the new structure below it, allowing for new entrants. The overall outcome is the same, so long as everyone is pulling in the same direction. Could this be achieved? In over 1228 pages the singular most sensible post by a mile. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 Going by the LL/EOS timetable they won't be announcing the process for applying to the WoSFL until this Friday 6th March. So the WJFA attempt just fills a week of dead air anyway and doesn't really disrupt the LL/EoS process in anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 If some people still don't understand at this point that their clubs are run by absolute numpties it serves them right. All this shite needs to end soon, for the good of the game as a whole, not half a dozen "big" WJFA clubs with a vastly inflated sense of their own importance. It's time we all stopped trying to educate the ineducable. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanCamelonfan Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 5 minutes ago, Sancho Panza said: In over 1228 pages the singular most sensible post by a mile. It actually isnt because the latest goings on prove wrsjfa are clearly just as bad as tj. Filtering false information and same with this guy from kilbirnie who clearly doesnt know the process. The easiest solution is wosfl and clubs can join the pyramid or stay junior it's simple as that. This new league wrsjfa are forming isnt in the pyramid and wont be in the pyramid 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanCamelonfan Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 5 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said: If some people still don't understand at this point that their clubs are run by absolute numpties it serves them right. All this shite needs to end soon, for the good of the game as a whole, not half a dozen "big" WJFA clubs with a vastly inflated sense of their own importance. It's time we all stopped trying to educate the ineducable. Now that @Sancho Panza is the most sensible post 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theesel1994 Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 One advantage - you know in advance the dates of the semi finals and they don't change their mind half way through the season. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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