Junior football, what is the future?

[theesel1994]

2 minutes ago, Burnie_man said:

Ah, so only one club backed the proposal which forms the basis of this latest scheme.  Even more reason that they need to consult with members.

Was that email this morning genuine.....you seem to know someone that has access to these emails. It just looks a little bit fake. Missing out the dot on West Junior F.A  both times makes it look like a copy and paste job.

[Burnie_man]

1 minute ago, Pyramidic said:

With the latest developments I wonder how much confusion and misinformation is going to be sown at the impending club meetings such as Largs?

Is this the grand plan formatted by TJ?

 

 

 

 

Well Kilbirnie have a meeting starting in 10 minutes, Beenze will look a bit daft if they vote to join WoSFL, although I'm guessing there won't be much in the way of facts being volunteered.

 

[Burnie_man]

Just now, theesel1994 said:

Was that email this morning genuine.....you seem to know someone that has access to these emails. It just looks a little bit fake. Missing out the dot on West Junior F.A  both times makes it look like a copy and paste job.

I've not seen the email apart from on here, but I'm told it's genuine.

[Junior Pub League]

1 minute ago, theesel1994 said:

Was that email this morning genuine.....you seem to know someone that has access to these emails. It just looks a little bit fake. Missing out the dot on West Junior F.A  both times makes it look like a copy and paste job.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/ayrshire/pyramid-plan-set-green-light-21602807.amp?__twitter_impression=true

[GNU_Linux]

I've not seen the email apart from on here, but I'm told it's genuine.

Kilwinning tweeted it out as well

[LongTimeLurker]

Now being reported by the Daily Record:

 

[Robert James]

2 hours ago, parkcircus said:

Still no EGM, couple of emails, that’s been it.

The names of the Governing Body members who support ("acknowledge") the approach set out in the SJFA/WRJFA's       e-mail,  need to be made public now.as it appears that this matter may result in litigation. If so, they will surely be required individually, to confirm if they were consulted on, or  party to the content of the e-mail........ or not ? For example, was there a minuted Junior GB  meeting held, to discuss its position ? 

As a separate question, were the West junior clubs consulted regarding the implied legal action in the e-mail, or not ? If the latter is true, those named members of the Governing Body would IMO, be directly accountable for any legal outcome, either for or against, the eventual outcome.

Personally (as a supporter of football), I am of the view that the SJFA/WRJFA should reconsider its position, withdraw the e-mail, and let their member clubs decide whether or not to join the proposed WoSL pyramid league. 

 

[Che Dail]

11 hours ago, Born To Run said:

I’m amused by the idea of legal action to stop a WoS forming.

There is absolutely no legal basis for such an action. The Lowland couldn’t tell the SJFA not to proceed with the changes in the West Region a year or two back? 

All of a sudden there's change of tact: "RIGHT, we're calling in the professionals and will take you to court".

A sure-fire way to turn their cash reserves to dust because there's no shortage of Solicitors and legal professionals who will happily relieve them of it.

But take it back 2 or even 3 years or so. Kelty have  announced their intention to leave, and the SJFA leaders assemble in some 'war room' to assess the risks and threat to their organisation, and how to serve the interests of their members going forward.

Did they think to employ a PR Officer? A media expert? A consultant skilled in Consultation?  A graphic designer who can prepare presentations? A copywriter to make sense of their written information? An administrator? A lawyer? 

"NO NEED boys we can handle all this ourselves"

Only now, when they realized that it's gone completely tits up, do they think they need help.

An utter farce.

 

Edited February 29, 2020 by Che Dail

[Garret Deasy]

It is to protect those benefiting from the generosity of the clubs still playing in the junior ranks. 

There is a consistency of ability from John Fyfe and John Reilly (The East Region head honcho). Zero ability. Will do nothing without asking TJ or previously Scott Robertson to tell them what to do.

Secretaries for each region getting at least £15k, plus expenses ((unreceipted). Then fixture secs and then the "management" committee members. Add to that £85,000 pa. for Tom J.

The guy who runs the East of Scotland leagues takes £400 per annum to cover costs like phone and travel. That's it!

So a lot of jobs and nice little earners to protect. Some might say it is worth it as they do such a good job? Especially those doing the jobs. 

Not sure how the Flat Earth Society runs itself. But the SJFA is operating at a similar level.

You really couldn't make it up.

[archieb]

18 minutes ago, theesel1994 said:

Largs Thistle didn't vote against Option Z they voted for Option W.

 

15 minutes ago, Burnie_man said:

Ah, so only one club backed the proposal which forms the basis of this latest scheme.  Even more reason that they need to consult with members.

Interesting.

If it's true that the Largs delegate was the only one to back "Option W" I find that VERY surprising

[theesel1994]

1 minute ago, archieb said:

Interesting.

If it's true that the Largs delegate was the only one to back "Option W" I find that VERY surprising

What was surprising - that the Largs delegate backed it or that NONE of the others did?

[Ross.]

4 minutes ago, Garret Deasy said:

It is to protect those benefiting from the generosity of the clubs still playing in the junior ranks. 

There is a consistency of ability from John Fyfe and John Reilly (The East Region head honcho). Zero ability. Will do nothing without asking TJ or previously Scott Robertson to tell them what to do.

Secretaries for each region getting at least £15k, plus expenses ((unreceipted). Then fixture secs and then the "management" committee members. Add to that £85,000 pa. for Tom J.

The guy who runs the East of Scotland leagues takes £400 per annum to cover costs like phone and travel. That's it!

So a lot of jobs and nice little earners to protect. Some might say it is worth it as they do such a good job? Especially those doing the jobs. 

Not sure how the Flat Earth Society runs itself. But the SJFA is operating at a similar level.

You really couldn't make it up.

Easy to understand why they are panicking now.

[archieb]

Just now, theesel1994 said:

What was surprising - that the Largs delegate backed it or that NONE of the others did?

The latter

[Robert James]

31 minutes ago, Burnie_man said:

It's designed to confuse, and to hinder, the opening of the formal application process of the new WoSFL  (it won't).

They have no mandate from WRJFA clubs to do this, none at all.  They have no mandate from the SJFA to do this, this goes against their long held policy of "all-in, structure intact"".

They want the Superleague at tier 6, and for them to administer and run tier 7 and below in the west, tier 7 and below remains a Junior league.  If you're a non-Junior club then tough titties, you start st the bottom of their structure, tier 9.

 

Glasgow University and Threave Rovers, are full SFA Members, who may decide to apply to join the WRJFA next month. Bonnyton Thistle, are already at Tier 6 in the SoSL, and may also apply. What would happen to these clubs if the West Juniors join the pyramid en bloc, and these 3 clubs (+ others ?) are excluded ?  

[AsimButtHitsASix]

9 minutes ago, Garret Deasy said:

The guy who runs the East of Scotland leagues takes £400 per annum to cover costs like phone and travel. That's it!

That guy needs a pay rise

17 minutes ago, Burnie_man said:

  Have the WRJFA gone rogue?

Dipping in/out at work and hard to keep track but when I read it that's how I viewed it. West Region sick of waiting for the impossible "all in" due to the Tayside issue and taking a bit of control on behalf of their member clubs which seems like a good thing? (if a little late in the game)

It seems they've only served interest in doing so. Nothing to stop them backing out like the Junior clubs who've expressed interest in the WoS league have.

[cmontheloknow]

14 minutes ago, Garret Deasy said:

It is to protect those benefiting from the generosity of the clubs still playing in the junior ranks. 

There is a consistency of ability from John Fyfe and John Reilly (The East Region head honcho). Zero ability. Will do nothing without asking TJ or previously Scott Robertson to tell them what to do.

Secretaries for each region getting at least £15k, plus expenses ((unreceipted). Then fixture secs and then the "management" committee members. Add to that £85,000 pa. for Tom J.

The guy who runs the East of Scotland leagues takes £400 per annum to cover costs like phone and travel. That's it!

So a lot of jobs and nice little earners to protect. Some might say it is worth it as they do such a good job? Especially those doing the jobs. 

Not sure how the Flat Earth Society runs itself. But the SJFA is operating at a similar level.

You really couldn't make it up.

I think those SJFA related figures are significantly inflated!

Edited February 29, 2020 by cmontheloknow

[AsimButtHitsASix]

1 minute ago, Robert James said:

 

Glasgow University and Threave Rovers, are full SFA Members, who may decide to apply to join the WRJFA next month. Bonnyton Thistle, are already at Tier 6 in the SoSL, and may also apply. What would happen to these clubs if the West Juniors join the pyramid en bloc, and these 3 clubs (+ others ?) are excluded ?  

I would hope any Tier 6 clubs shoofting over would enter a WoS Premier League (and possibly GU as well as SFA members who haven't had a place to go). If the Juniors think they can come over and make other clubs start at the bottom they can beat it

[LongTimeLurker]

Just now, Robert James said:

 

Glasgow University and Threave Rovers, are full SFA Members, who may decide to apply to join the WRJFA next month. Bonnyton Thistle, are already at Tier 6 in the SoSL, and may also apply. What would happen to these clubs if the West Juniors join the pyramid en bloc, and these 3 clubs (+ others ?) are excluded ?  

The west juniors can't join the pyramid en masse without the approval of the EoS and LL where a change to the LL playoff format is concerned. This latest announcement from the west region is a desperate attempt to confuse people rather than a genuine effort to join the pyramid.

[Burnie_man]

1 minute ago, AsimButtHitsASix said:

That guy needs a pay rise

Dipping in/out at work and hard to keep track but when I read it that's how I viewed it. West Region sick of waiting for the impossible "all in" due to the Tayside issue and taking a bit of control on behalf of their member clubs which seems like a good thing? (if a little late in the game)

It seems they've only served interest in doing so. Nothing to stop them backing out like the Junior clubs who've expressed interest in the WoS league have.

The WRJFA aren't going independent, they will remain an SJFA league, and want to run their own discipline (fines?) and fixtures, same management committee.  Therefore, they are going against SJFA members by going rogue and trying to get in by themselves.

[GNU_Linux]

No war from the LL side, they have the full support of the SPFL and the SoS are also now involved. There is no PWG, there is no contact with the Juniors.  They carry on and initiate a WoSFL for next season.
We can however sit back and enjoy the Junior blazers making complete roaring tits of themselves.

Do you know how/when the SPFL were consulted/informed? Not doubting this just curious about the workings of it.