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Junior football, what is the future?


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As if this moment, the Lowland has no intentions of expanding from 16. We’ll see what happens in future.

I’m currently writing a piece on the situation as things stand - will share in here when released on Pure Fitbaw. Got input from the Ants, Kilwinning, Bonnyrigg, Kilbirnie and George Fraser so are least it’ll be better researched than a certain red top!

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8 hours ago, San Starko Rover said:

 

 


16 clubs relegated that seems excessive emoji23.png

 

There was proposals in the 30s (I think) in England that the bottom half of each league would be relegated and the top half of the league below brought up (or it might have been the bottom half and the top half of the league below put up for the election/re-election vote in the days before automatic relegation)

No better time to try it out than now. Will be a great laugh.

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9 hours ago, parsforlife said:

It’s good to hear pollok are on board.

Them keeping the hand out to the SJFA is just trying to protect themselves if something utterly mental comes out.

They wanted the SJFA to succeed and heard all the talk from them but then fight night came and they’ve watched them come in unprepared and arrogant against the young upstarts, they watched them lose the first few rounds but thought surely they’ll come back but they never did, the SJFA spent the next few rounds on the defensive, struggling. And now as the fight comes to a close the LL have landed what looks to be a knockout blow. They’re on the canvas and the count is at 9...  The clubs are ready to leave but should the miracle happen they are keeping themselves in the position to claim they always were on their side.

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spoke to 4 of my lok mates who go home & away to every game

for many a long yr (over 45 ) would be sad to leave the JUNIORS

had many a great time watching the GRADE.

but we are all in agreement that the JUNIOR grade has been downgraded

by the bigger east teams leaving.   ie the junior cup is now a glorified  west of scotland cup

so no romance now compared to previous years + not testing ourselves against another region

plus imo the amalgamation of central /ayrshire  has not brought any benefits 

except racking up car miles to sunny ayrshire compared to sunny lanarkshire

we move on with the times

by the way my parents said i  was conceived in elgin

so obviously they didnt go  to the match on a tues night 

if they did i might not be here lol

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Just wondering if there is any room for a compromise at this late stage.

1. WRJFA hold an EGM in the next couple of weeks. Declare that the league proposes to withdraw from the SJFA for 2020/21 season and applies to the WoSFL as a whole keeping its 4 divisions intact in the process.

2. Their clubs retain associate membership of the SJFA enabling them to enter the Junior Cup for 2020/21.

3. Other senior clubs in the HL, LL, EoSFL and SoSFL can apply for associate membership of the SJFA enabling them to enter the Junior Cup for 2020/21.

4. TJ and the SJFA Committee show some flexibility and common sense for the good of the Scottish semi-professional game and not continue to act as an obstacle to progress.

Could this act as a template or "has the horse already bolted"?

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2 minutes ago, Pyramidic said:

Just wondering if there is any room for a compromise at this late stage.

1. WRJFA hold an EGM in the next couple of weeks. Declare that the league proposes to withdraw from the SJFA for 2020/21 season and applies to the WoSFL as a whole keeping its 4 divisions intact in the process.

2. Their clubs retain associate membership of the SJFA enabling them to enter the Junior Cup for 2020/21.

3. Other senior clubs in the HL, LL, EoSFL and SoSFL can apply for associate membership of the SJFA enabling them to enter the Junior Cup for 2020/21.

4. TJ and the SJFA Committee show some flexibility and common sense for the good of the Scottish semi-professional game and not continue to act as an obstacle to progress.

Could this act as a template or "has the horse already bolted"?

I think the horse has already now bolted and there is no chance for the WRJFA to come in en masse now.  Particularly as there is now interest from 'non juniors' in the WOS who would be excluded if the Junior leagues joined as you suggest.  Thats my opnion.

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3 minutes ago, Pyramidic said:

Just wondering if there is any room for a compromise at this late stage.

1. WRJFA hold an EGM in the next couple of weeks. Declare that the league proposes to withdraw from the SJFA for 2020/21 season and applies to the WoSFL as a whole keeping its 4 divisions intact in the process.

2. Their clubs retain associate membership of the SJFA enabling them to enter the Junior Cup for 2020/21.

3. Other senior clubs in the HL, LL, EoSFL and SoSFL can apply for associate membership of the SJFA enabling them to enter the Junior Cup for 2020/21.

4. TJ and the SJFA Committee show some flexibility and common sense for the good of the Scottish semi-professional game and not continue to act as an obstacle to progress.

Could this act as a template or "has the horse already bolted"?

The horse has already bolted and done two laps of the course!   

And based on evidence to date, flexibility / common sense / acting for the greater good, is unlikely tbh.

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19 minutes ago, Pyramidic said:

Just wondering if there is any room for a compromise at this late stage.

1. WRJFA hold an EGM in the next couple of weeks. Declare that the league proposes to withdraw from the SJFA for 2020/21 season and applies to the WoSFL as a whole keeping its 4 divisions intact in the process.

2. Their clubs retain associate membership of the SJFA enabling them to enter the Junior Cup for 2020/21.

3. Other senior clubs in the HL, LL, EoSFL and SoSFL can apply for associate membership of the SJFA enabling them to enter the Junior Cup for 2020/21.

4. TJ and the SJFA Committee show some flexibility and common sense for the good of the Scottish semi-professional game and not continue to act as an obstacle to progress.

Could this act as a template or "has the horse already bolted"?

What about the non-junior teams who have reportedly shown an interest in joining the WoSFL ?

Do they get the chance to join as well, or are they just told "sorry, we've changed our mind now" ?

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Surely to f**k the brechin debate just needs some strong management from those at the top,   Angus is in the northern half of Scotland. A team from that area relegated from that area should go into the northern section of the pyramid. you can't just turn around and greet... but but but players come from the south.   How they recruit players is entirely their business but they are located in the north, if they're relegated then they'll play in the north. And they'll like it

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33 minutes ago, effeffsee_the2nd said:

Surely to f**k the brechin debate just needs some strong management from those at the top,   Angus is in the northern half of Scotland. A team from that area relegated from that area should go into the northern section of the pyramid. you can't just turn around and greet... but but but players come from the south.   How they recruit players is entirely their business but they are located in the north, if they're relegated then they'll play in the north. And they'll like it

I have to admit, a bit strong winded but 100% correct.
Wherever your team gets your players from should not come into this matter, no matter what region, East, North, West South.  Your in a region or a set boundary so that's where you are located until boundaries are looked at for improvement.

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1 minute ago, Born To Run said:

As far as the Brechin question goes, I think it’s a simple answer. They knew the rules at the start of the campaign and kept schtum, don’t complain about them now as we approach the business end of things.

Exactly this. If Forfar, Montrose, Arbroath or Dundee were to complain about this now, when it doesn't affect them directly, and give reasonable arguments you would be more inclined to listen to them. If Brechin had raised these concerns officially at any point in the last five years they would have had the proper time to have them considered with due diligence. A club in League 2 in freefall suddenly demanding the whole structure of Scottish football changes at the last minute is pure jobby

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1 hour ago, Pyramidic said:

Just wondering if there is any room for a compromise at this late stage.

1. WRJFA hold an EGM in the next couple of weeks. Declare that the league proposes to withdraw from the SJFA for 2020/21 season and applies to the WoSFL as a whole keeping its 4 divisions intact in the process.

2. Their clubs retain associate membership of the SJFA enabling them to enter the Junior Cup for 2020/21.

3. Other senior clubs in the HL, LL, EoSFL and SoSFL can apply for associate membership of the SJFA enabling them to enter the Junior Cup for 2020/21.

4. TJ and the SJFA Committee show some flexibility and common sense for the good of the Scottish semi-professional game and not continue to act as an obstacle to progress.

Could this act as a template or "has the horse already bolted"?

Well from knowing the LL's position, and from speaking to people associated with some clubs in the West who are looking forward to joining a league free of the SJFA/WRJFA baggage, then the horse has not only bolted it's halfway round Aintree.  They do not want Junior FA involvement in the WoSFL, and the way is clear for the league to start from next season. It's a no brainer.  Clubs join, or they remain Junior.

I don't think there is any room for back peddling at this stage otherwise some people and leagues will lose a lot of credibility if they even suggest the above.

 

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1 hour ago, effeffsee_the2nd said:

Surely to f**k the brechin debate just needs some strong management from those at the top,   Angus is in the northern half of Scotland. A team from that area relegated from that area should go into the northern section of the pyramid. you can't just turn around and greet... but but but players come from the south.   How they recruit players is entirely their business but they are located in the north, if they're relegated then they'll play in the north. And they'll like it

Totally agree. This argument is all a red herring. If accept many of Brechin players are central belt based. Take Edinburgh as starting point this season from there they will have had 2.5hr car journeys to Cove Rangers, 2hr journey to Annan, and 3.5 hr journey to Elgin. Then when travelling to Central belt based spfl 2 clubs given travelling Saturdays and week day evenings for games often hitting rush hour and those journeys with in the central belt will still often take 2 hours or more for the players. Also you would think any central belt based players already playing in the HL will be keen to move to Brechin given they will become the most southerly club. Then moving away from players and consider fans travelling to away games, most will be Brechin/Angus based and the travel times to HL clubs for them will be about the same as they faced in the Spfl and arguably more predictable with less traffic congestion. Could also argue given how competitive the LL is going to become over the next few years with the large EOS clubs and now WOS clubs coming through, Brechin or indeed any of the Angus clubs will actually have more chance getting back to the Spfl via the HL than LL. 

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13 hours ago, holmparkheroes said:

Increased revenue from 2 more home games, increased costs from 2 more away games.

Good point.  On balance, I assume they usually result in neutral costs & revenue ?

2 + 2 extra league games to watch though. Several posters on here have said that they frequently lose money on the Junior Cup ties, because of the extra travelling, which is often required, and in some cases, fewer fans watching them. Obviously Junior semi-finals and finals, are the exception, as are Scottish Cup ties.

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4 minutes ago, Robert James said:

Good point.  On balance, I assume they usually result in neutral costs & revenue ?

2 + 2 extra league games to watch though. Several posters on here have said that they frequently lose money on the Junior Cup ties, because of the extra travelling, which is often required, and in some cases, fewer fans watching them. Obviously Junior semi-finals and finals, are the exception, as are Scottish Cup ties.

You'd hope not because then all of the revenue from home games would simply be lost to all your away games, no matter how many games you played over a season.

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Perhaps if Brechin didn’t want relegated into the HL they should have hired a better manager or recruited better players or they could still win the play off. No sympathy for them. For what it’s worth I’ve always though the “Highland” area should include all of Perth and Kinross.

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