Burnie_man Posted February 14, 2020 Author Share Posted February 14, 2020 10 minutes ago, surely not! said: Perhaps his alternative approach is regarding the way they will hold discussions with relevant parties? He can still deliver an ‘all in’ approach of sorts by negotiating that all WR teams joins the new WoSL and the East join the EoS en mass with those above the Tay and North being tier 6 for HL. It won’t be administered by he and his cronies but he’d perhaps get a pat on the back and a wee bit more settlement if he does All of that can happen without any "help" from the SJFA. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted February 14, 2020 Author Share Posted February 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, GNU_Linux said: Out of curiosity has Petrie or any other SFA blazer met with the LL/EOS since the intitial WOSL announcement? Yes, members of the LL board were in attendance at the BSC game on Sunday, and spoke with Petrie. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marten Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 12 minutes ago, surely not! said: Perhaps his alternative approach is regarding the way they will hold discussions with relevant parties? He can still deliver an ‘all in’ approach of sorts by negotiating that all WR teams joins the new WoSL and the East join the EoS en mass with those above the Tay and North being tier 6 for HL. It won’t be administered by he and his cronies but he’d perhaps get a pat on the back and a wee bit more settlement if he does I'd love to see that happening, it would make the whole change orderly and for all regions. Can't see that happening though... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 15 minutes ago, GordonS said: Is it possible that the SJFA have had their bluff called by the other parties to the PWG, have now realised that if they hold to their line they will lose many members from the West, and will give up on their demands about the east etc? They might realise that the best they can get is the WRJFA feeding into the LL from tier 6, plus including new members somewhere, and take that as the only compromise that will continue their existence? That theory only works if SJFA had dropped their ‘all in’ mantra. They haven’t. if the SJFA plan was to try and pursue an all in agenda despite low chance of it happening and If failed accept only WJFA can enter then they don’t seem to be following through on it. I predict the future of the SJFA to be of following. 1. Mast exodus to WoS/EoS(and possibly NJFA disassociating). 2. The remainder to play for a few seasons in their little leagues, they continue to scramble for relevance. 3. In dribs a drabs clubs continue to leave, occasionally replaced by amateurs but the trend is less clubs in SJFA. 4. As the cash pot reduces the clubs/management are forced into a scenario that they can’t continue with paid staff. Redundancies are paid out and TJ etc leave. 5. The remaining few are left very weak but finally with a committee who aren’t interested in financial benefit to themselves, they either move to join the pyramid at an low level or be like the welfare FA. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theesel1994 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, parsforlife said: I predict the future of the SJFA to be of following. 1. Mast exodus to WoS/EoS(and possibly NJFA disassociating). 2. The remainder to play for a few seasons in their little leagues, they continue to scramble for relevance. 3. In dribs a drabs clubs continue to leave, occasionally replaced by amateurs but the trend is less clubs in SJFA. 4. As the cash pot reduces the clubs/management are forced into a scenario that they can’t continue with paid staff. Redundancies are paid out and TJ etc leave. 5. The remaining few are left very weak but finally with a committee who aren’t interested in financial benefit to themselves, they either move to join the pyramid at an low level or be like the welfare FA. I can see a WoSL having 2 Divisions and through time the WRJFA feeding into that. So, not Tier 6 but Tier 8. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 24 minutes ago, surely not! said: Perhaps his alternative approach is regarding the way they will hold discussions with relevant parties? He can still deliver an ‘all in’ approach of sorts by negotiating that all WR teams joins the new WoSL and the East join the EoS en mass with those above the Tay and North being tier 6 for HL. It won’t be administered by he and his cronies but he’d perhaps get a pat on the back and a wee bit more settlement if he does Now that's lateral thinking for you! But you may have a good point. Imagine the SJFA/TJ crowing that they made the Pyramid happen. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthurlie1981 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 That statement sounds of one of panic. It sounds to me like Petrie has informed them that the SFA has no intention of stopping the creation of a new league and now there is an attempt to walk back the last year (other than the all in). Here’s the thing, there are no more PWG meetings, there is no need for the LL/EOSFL to meet with them (why would they after the statement last week) so he really there is only one way forward. I did find it funny when somebody posted the comment from last year when the East clubs left and he said lesson will be learned! We are still waiting and the SJFA (as it’s not one person the management committee are also culpable in this) have sleep walked into a mess of their own making. 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crfc Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 All this about let mr petrie and Johnston deliver something these couldn't deliver the mail never mind a bright future for clubs in the lower leagues of the game . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 What has amazed me consistently is his continual use of rod petrie. Has he met with him? If the SFA were supportive would they have walked away?I find the statement bizarre, I cant see how the sjfa still think they can negotiate anything from here. The eos and LL are not going to back off, they appear to have had enough. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted February 14, 2020 Author Share Posted February 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, G4Mac said: What has amazed me consistently is his continual use of rod petrie. Has he met with him? If the SFA were supportive would they have walked away? I find the statement bizarre, I cant see how the sjfa still think they can negotiate anything from here. The eos and LL are not going to back off, they appear to have had enough. The brass neck he even has to say this; "We would like to put on record our thanks to SFA President Rod Petrie for his input as we strive to reach an amical conclusion for the benefit of Scottish Football." He has zero interest in benefitting Scottish football, he never has. He just want to keep his own fiefdom and his cushy job and bugger anyone else. You can pull together any number of derogatory comments made by him or his cabal since 2011/2012 towards the Pyramid, LL, it's clubs, the EoS, even the SFA. After Robertson's disgraceful recent comments towards the EoS there wasn't so much as an apology forthcoming, and his "minutes" of the last PWG were inaccurate and disrespectful. Brass neck doesn't even cover it. I hope the LL don't even bother to return his calls or emails, there's a better future pushing on with WoSFL. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, Burnie_man said: I hope the LL don't even bother to return his calls or emails, there's a better future pushing on with WoSFL. If he actually makes those attempts. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post parkcircus Posted February 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 14, 2020 (edited) It’s a classic case of boxing themselves into a corner believing everyone would be behind them. once the cracks appear in the support and they find out they are still in the corner the only way out is to plead. Going to the EoS/LL to negotiate after they’ve laid out a plan is a waste of time and the only benefit is a bit of PR, “big boys did it and ran away with our clubs” this has been on the wall for months, some clubs could see it coming, most hoped they were being represented but no news wasn’t good news, especially when your new potential partners (EoS/LL) didn’t have a clue what was going on. The Negotiators for the SJFA haven’t done what was asked of them, they’ve failed in their promise and not delivered the mandate in any form. While I’m pleased clubs will be entering the pyramid it’s still a sad time for what looks like the ending days for the SJFA. unfortunately it looks like the Buffs, Clydebank, Darvel etc will carry the burden of the breakup, we only carried out what we voted for and had been working towards for the past 2 years Edited February 14, 2020 by parkcircus 27 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoofhearted Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 All this about let mr petrie and Johnston deliver something these couldn't deliver the mail never mind a bright future for clubs in the lower leagues of the game .TJ - The man who killed the Juniors with intransigence. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 It’s a classic case of boxing themselves into a corner believing everyone would be behind them. once the cracks appear in the support and they find out they are still in the corner the only way out is to plead. Going to the EoS/LL to negotiate after they’ve laid out a plan is a waste of time and the only benefit is a bit of PR, “big boys did it and ran away with our clubs” this has been on the wall for months, some clubs could see it coming, most hoped they were being represented but no news wasn’t good news, especially when your new potential partners (EoS/LL) didn’t have a clue what was going on. The Negotiators for the SJFA haven’t done what was asked of them, they’ve failed in their promise and not delivered the mandate in any form. While I’m pleased clubs will be entering the pyramid it’s still a sad time for what looks like the ending days for the SJFA. unfortunately it looks like the Buffs, Clydebank, Darvel etc will carry the burden of the breakup, we only carried out what we voted for and had been working towards for the past 2 years Clydebank have never called for a breakup, we’ve never asked anyone to come with us. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFW Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 When's this coming out in hardback? Would make essential bedtime reading. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parkcircus Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 13 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: Clydebank have never called for a breakup, we’ve never asked anyone to come with us. No one said they asked for it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Hillonearth Posted February 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 14, 2020 (edited) Everybody's releasing club statements and we were beginning to feel a bit left out... "The division between junior and senior football in Scotland has always been an artificial one which is rooted far back in history. Maryhill FC – it’s worth noting we’ve NEVER actually been called Maryhill Juniors – were formed in 1884 and spent our first decade or so as a senior eam. There were no leagues back then, and as protectionism set in with the bigger sides more and more only wanting to play each other leaving the smaller teams out in the cold, the two groups coalesced into senior and junior grades. As this process happened, those in charge of Maryhill FC at the time had a decision to make, and as one of the smaller Glasgow clubs opted to join the ranks of the juniors. And so it remained through thick and thin for more than a century with the glass ceiling firmly in effect between the league and non-league systems operating side by side with virtually no congruence between the two. Finally several years ago the pyramid system was introduced which allowed for non-league teams to progress into the Scottish league structure proper and conversely for league teams to go the other way. For the last few seasons the pre-existing East of Scotland League has been absorbing a large proportion of the East Region junior teams, but for junior teams in the West Region there was no pre-existing league structure to join. Until now that is, as it is now expected that a senior West of Scotland League at Tier 6 of the Scottish League system will be in place for next season. The talks to incorporate the West Region en bloc into the pyramid now appear to have reached an impasse, and after several years of assurances that a solution was imminent, we as a club share the sense of frustration felt by many others at the lack of progress thus far. We are proud members of the SJFA – we’ve walked too many miles down the road along with them for it to be otherwise – but for the first time in a long time there is a fork in the road ahead of us. It would be remiss of those currently in charge of Maryhill FC if we failed to have a look to see what lies down the alternative path which may soon open up and to investigate all available opportunities for our club. We are merely the current torchbearers for the flame the late Victorians who formed the club ignited, but it appears that in common with them we may soon have a decision to make. As always, it will be the one that we feel is in the best interests of the future of Maryhill FC." Edited February 14, 2020 by Hillonearth 56 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crfc Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 For the sjfa not to come up with a plan even one from here so the clubs can work from it and debate it is shocking and only goes to show why clubs want a change nothing else TJ hang your head in shame your an embarrassment to scottish football and shows why the game is in the state it's in ar the top . 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
never been to scotland Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 What a thoroughly lovely statement. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amigan Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Kudos to whomever wrote that Maryhill statement, a real class act. Perhaps with someone like that in charge instead of the bullying blazers the SJFA would be in a much better position. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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