Ginaro Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 7 minutes ago, Arthurlie1981 said: What!! There were junior clubs interested after TJ said they weren’t. I am shocked at this turn of events. Ps tonight’s meeting will be akin to locking the stable door after the horse has bolted!! 36 minutes ago, The Ilford Drummer said: So any forecasts on the type of rabbit TJ might try pull out the hat tonight? A reminder of what he said in June 2018 - will he actually have have learned any lessons? https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/focus-local-football-juniors-clubs-could-not-be-convinced-283034 "We’ll learn from the situation in the east and we’ll make improvements and we’ll take it forward." "Obviously we didn’t do enough to convince clubs to stay in the Juniors, but I don’t now what else we could have done. I went out and met the clubs and talked with them." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted February 13, 2020 Author Share Posted February 13, 2020 It's called clubs actually applying for it and the league membership accepting that application. Where was the boundary between the North Region and East Region? Didn't matter Montrose Roselea considered their options and applied to the North Region and it was deemed acceptable. Say the SJFA hadn't been gutted. The West Region votes to go region wide across all four divisions. Perrenial Central Second Division side close to the Lanarkshire/Lothian boundary decides to apply to the East Region still intact with the Super-Premier-North/South Division set up. As they know they would almost always be in the South Division which would be more manageable over fairly consistent trips to Ayrshire. They could have tried that if they wanted based on the Montrose Roselea example and it probably would have come down to a vote not enforcement of a boundary. So you agree there needs to be rules surrounding which geographical leagues cover which areas? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Patterson Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 3 hours ago, RossBFaeDundee said: Been sitting trying to figure out a potential setup below the Highland League for the forseeable future, would this be viable? In my mind Banks O' Dee will be in the Highland League before this would happen. Also unsure if Newburgh would favour a Tayside league over the EoSFL, so did not include them. Tier 6 – North Caledonian League (16 teams) Tier 6 – Tayside Premier League (10 teams) Orkney Golspie Sutherland Thurso Invergordon Inverness Athletic Bonar Bridge St Duthus Halkirk Utd Bunillidh Thistle Bridge of Don Thistle Montrose Roselea Hermes Culter Maud Nairn St. Ninian Dyce Juniors Lochee Utd Broughty Athletic Downfield Dundee North End Luncarty Carnoustie Panmure Forfar West End Kirriemuir Thistle Scone Thistle Tayport Tier 7 – North Caledonian First Division (12 teams) Tier 7 – Tayside First Division (8 teams) Colony Park Hall Russell Utd Aberdeen East End Ellon Utd Dufftown Stonehaven Banchory St. Ternan Buckie Rovers Burghead Thistle Deveronside Forres Thistle Fraserburgh Utd Arbroath Victoria Brechin Victoria Blairgowrie Coupar Angus Dundee Violet East Craigie Forfar Albion Lochee Harp Tier 8 – North Caledonian Second Division (12 teams) Longside Stoneywood Parkvale Sunnybank Aberdeen Uni Buchanhaven Hearts Cruden Bay Glentanar Islavale New Elgin Newmachar Utd Spey Valley Utd Whitehills Right idea, but North Caley League would only be a league for the Far North. Would look something like this: Tier 6 – North Caledonian League (12 teams) Tier 6 – North East Premier League (14 teams) Orkney Golspie Sutherland Thurso Invergordon Inverness Athletic Bonar Bridge St Duthus Halkirk Utd Bunillidh Thistle Nairn St. Ninian Kinlochbervie New Inverness side (No Relegation) Banks O'Dee Bridge of Don Thistle Montrose Roselea Hermes Culter Maud Hall Russell Utd Lochee Utd Broughty Athletic Downfield Dundee North End Kirriemuir Thistle Carnoustie Panmure Forfar West End Tier 7 – Grampian First Division (14 teams) Tier 7 – Tayside First Division (10 teams) Colony Park Dyce Juniors Aberdeen East End Ellon Utd Dufftown Stonehaven Banchory St. Ternan Buckie Rovers Burghead Thistle Deveronside Sunnybank Aberdeen Uni Forres Thistle Fraserburgh Utd Scone Thistle Tayport Arbroath Victoria Brechin Victoria Blairgowrie Coupar Angus Dundee Violet East Craigie Forfar Albion Lochee Harp Tier 8 – Grampian Second Division (10 teams) Longside Stoneywood Parkvale Buchanhaven Hearts Cruden Bay Glentanar Islavale New Elgin Newmachar Utd Spey Valley Utd Whitehills 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted February 13, 2020 Author Share Posted February 13, 2020 Hearing that we’re over the 20 mark re expressions of interest. Going to need two (or even three) split divisions at this rate...Good to hear. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talbot supporter Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 Totally agree, it would be our equivalent to the FA Trophy. The prestige of the cup's history would be kept, and it would continue to benefit the teams that would play for it.Agree folks what a great competition it would be 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wow-wee Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 (edited) I'm hearing there's a charity van hanging around outside Hampden tonight for all the old blazers that will be getting handed back. Edited February 13, 2020 by wow-wee 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patriot1 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 20 minutes ago, ArabAuslander said: Right idea, but North Caley League would only be a league for the Far North. Would look something like this: Tier 6 – North Caledonian League (12 teams) Tier 6 – North East Premier League (14 teams) Orkney Golspie Sutherland Thurso Invergordon Inverness Athletic Bonar Bridge St Duthus Halkirk Utd Bunillidh Thistle Nairn St. Ninian Kinlochbervie New Inverness side (No Relegation) Banks O'Dee Bridge of Don Thistle Montrose Roselea Hermes Culter Maud Hall Russell Utd Lochee Utd Broughty Athletic Downfield Dundee North End Kirriemuir Thistle Carnoustie Panmure Forfar West End Tier 7 – Grampian First Division (14 teams) Tier 7 – Tayside First Division (10 teams) Colony Park Dyce Juniors Aberdeen East End Ellon Utd Dufftown Stonehaven Banchory St. Ternan Buckie Rovers Burghead Thistle Deveronside Sunnybank Aberdeen Uni Forres Thistle Fraserburgh Utd Scone Thistle Tayport Arbroath Victoria Brechin Victoria Blairgowrie Coupar Angus Dundee Violet East Craigie Forfar Albion Lochee Harp Tier 8 – Grampian Second Division (10 teams) Longside Stoneywood Parkvale Buchanhaven Hearts Cruden Bay Glentanar Islavale New Elgin Newmachar Utd Spey Valley Utd Whitehills As I said earlier unless they change the dividing line Tayport can't be in a Tayside/North East feeder. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 15 minutes ago, Burnie_man said: 35 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said: It's called clubs actually applying for it and the league membership accepting that application. Where was the boundary between the North Region and East Region? Didn't matter Montrose Roselea considered their options and applied to the North Region and it was deemed acceptable. Say the SJFA hadn't been gutted. The West Region votes to go region wide across all four divisions. Perrenial Central Second Division side close to the Lanarkshire/Lothian boundary decides to apply to the East Region still intact with the Super-Premier-North/South Division set up. As they know they would almost always be in the South Division which would be more manageable over fairly consistent trips to Ayrshire. They could have tried that if they wanted based on the Montrose Roselea example and it probably would have come down to a vote not enforcement of a boundary. So you agree there needs to be rules surrounding which geographical leagues cover which areas? I never said that. I've heard people over the years saying there was some sort of boundary between the 3 Regions in the SJFA. As far as i'm aware that was never actually written anywhere. So when Montrose Roselea asked those that in charge of these things had a decision to make. This is no different there is not boundary between the EoSFL, SoSFL, and prospective WoSFL other than the HL/LL boundary. So if a club wants to apply to a certain league let them, they're not carried of anything and it's down to the decision makers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted February 13, 2020 Author Share Posted February 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said: I never said that. I've heard people over the years saying there was some sort of boundary between the 3 Regions in the SJFA. As far as i'm aware that was never actually written anywhere. So when Montrose Roselea asked those that in charge of these things had a decision to make. This is no different there is not boundary between the EoSFL, SoSFL, and prospective WoSFL other than the HL/LL boundary. So if a club wants to apply to a certain league let them, they're not carried of anything and it's down to the decision makers. Ah OK, so a free for all with no definitive border? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, Burnie_man said: Ah OK, so a free for all with no definitive border? Probably don't need a definitive border because most folk have common sense. Girvan aren't gonna apply for the EoS league and Burntisland aren't gonna go to the WoS league. If there are a few clubs in Central Scotland like Dunipace or Faudlhouse or whoever who believe it might benefit them to play in the other league, and no one in the other league is against it, then there's no harm in going for it. There was no fixed line between the SoS and EoS or between the junior regions. This weird hypothetical idea you keep promoting that there'll suddenly be an avalanche of teams pouring from one league to another is mind boggling fantasist nonsense. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted February 13, 2020 Author Share Posted February 13, 2020 1 minute ago, AsimButtHitsASix said: Probably don't need a definitive border because most folk have common sense. Girvan aren't gonna apply for the EoS league and Burntisland aren't gonna go to the WoS league. If there are a few clubs in Central Scotland like Dunipace or Faudlhouse or whoever who believe it might benefit them to play in the other league, and no one in the other league is against it, then there's no harm in going for it. There was no fixed line between the SoS and EoS or between the junior regions. This weird hypothetical idea you keep promoting that there'll suddenly be an avalanche of teams pouring from one league to another is mind boggling fantasist nonsense. You clearly have little grasp of what is being debated. ERJFA = EoS and WRJFA = WoS should be simple enough for you to follow. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truthteller Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 Word on the street. 4 West Lothian teams will be applying for the WOSFL and will be attempting to jump to tier six -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimme Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 If Fauldhouse want to go West and the new league deems it appropriate so be it. To move back East they would need to apply, be accepted and start at the bottom. Those who think clubs will flit between leagues season after season are well wide of the mark, after all its up to the clubs to accept them back in. The reality of Fauldhouse and Harthill going West is likely to be an expensive season of travel to the West of the country followed by relegation from Tier 6 to Tier 7 unless there is significant investment in the squads. It's a one season anomaly, involving teams who aren't likely to be challenging for promotion anyway. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted February 13, 2020 Author Share Posted February 13, 2020 (edited) Just now, Truthteller said: Word on the street. 4 West Lothian teams will be applying for the WOSFL and will be attempting to jump to tier six I thought you'd given-up Troothy Edited February 13, 2020 by Burnie_man 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Patterson Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, patriot1 said: As I said earlier unless they change the dividing line Tayport can't be in a Tayside/North East feeder. FFS, just use some pragmatism. How about this MS Paint Job: (Just add the SOS in for arguments sake) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 Just now, Burnie_man said: You clearly have little grasp of what is being debated. ERJFA = EoS and WRJFA = WoS should be simple enough for you to follow. Don't be a dick. I'm following it fine. Just pointing out that absolutely no one, anywhere, has issue there not being a definitive line drawn on a map aside from yourself and your constant replies about it seem to talk about the border moving gradually so far east that only Norwegian and Dutch clubs can play in the EoSFL when that's just not going to happen. You've taken the hypothetical so far and are hung up on such a minor aspect of the whole thing it's bewildering. Do you really think the whole pyramid would collapse and turn into anarchy if Fauldhouse went to the WoSFL? And if ERJFA = EoS and WRJFA = WoS shouldn't you also be demanding Dunipace return where they came from? Weird hill to die on 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted February 13, 2020 Author Share Posted February 13, 2020 1 minute ago, AsimButtHitsASix said: Don't be a dick. I'm following it fine. Just pointing out that absolutely no one, anywhere, has issue there not being a definitive line drawn on a map aside from yourself and your constant replies about it seem to talk about the border moving gradually so far east that only Norwegian and Dutch clubs can play in the EoSFL when that's just not going to happen. You've taken the hypothetical so far and are hung up on such a minor aspect of the whole thing it's bewildering. Do you really think the whole pyramid would collapse and turn into anarchy if Fauldhouse went to the WoSFL? And if ERJFA = EoS and WRJFA = WoS shouldn't you also be demanding Dunipace return where they came from? Weird hill to die on Now being abusive, I'd step away from this if I were you and go and find another topic to get upset about. Norway and Dutch? FFS. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted February 13, 2020 Author Share Posted February 13, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, ArabAuslander said: FFS, just use some pragmatism. How about this MS Paint Job: (Just add the SOS in for arguments sake) That works, keeps it simple and easy to follow. Edited February 13, 2020 by Burnie_man 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patriot1 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, Burnie_man said: That works. Does Tayport playing in the HL feeders work? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doonhamer1969 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 41 minutes ago, ArabAuslander said: Right idea, but North Caley League would only be a league for the Far North. Would look something like this: Tier 6 – North Caledonian League (12 teams) Tier 6 – North East Premier League (14 teams) Orkney Golspie Sutherland Thurso Invergordon Inverness Athletic Bonar Bridge St Duthus Halkirk Utd Bunillidh Thistle Nairn St. Ninian Kinlochbervie New Inverness side (No Relegation) Banks O'Dee Bridge of Don Thistle Montrose Roselea Hermes Culter Maud Hall Russell Utd Lochee Utd Broughty Athletic Downfield Dundee North End Kirriemuir Thistle Carnoustie Panmure Forfar West End Tier 7 – Grampian First Division (14 teams) Tier 7 – Tayside First Division (10 teams) Colony Park Dyce Juniors Aberdeen East End Ellon Utd Dufftown Stonehaven Banchory St. Ternan Buckie Rovers Burghead Thistle Deveronside Sunnybank Aberdeen Uni Forres Thistle Fraserburgh Utd Scone Thistle Tayport Arbroath Victoria Brechin Victoria Blairgowrie Coupar Angus Dundee Violet East Craigie Forfar Albion Lochee Harp Tier 8 – Grampian Second Division (10 teams) Longside Stoneywood Parkvale Buchanhaven Hearts Cruden Bay Glentanar Islavale New Elgin Newmachar Utd Spey Valley Utd Whitehills Looks pretty good to me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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