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6 minutes ago, AlanCamelonfan said:

Be interesting to see what happens to caledonian braves reserves looks like bonnyton will go

Can't imagine it'd be a difficult decision. They are travelling SW every week to get horsed. Ok I exaggerate slightly but they seem to find the SoS a tough league.

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You are doing a brilliant job BM but in a true Pyramid clubs on the margins will always need to oscillate at Tier 6. The Pyramid will not work properly if one insists on firm boundaries between WOSFL and EOSFL


No it doesn't. It will just be like the LL and EoS is just now, you promote or relegate more/less clubs to even up numbers if the need ever arises.

You're suggesting something solely because you want Fauldhouse to try and get in the west! I think the WoSFL will get more than enough interest not to need non-west clubs.
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You are doing a brilliant job BM but in a true Pyramid clubs on the margins will always need to oscillate at Tier 6. The Pyramid will not work properly if one insists on firm boundaries between WOSFL and EOSFL
There is no need for anyone to move between regions. It wont be required. There are more than enough clubs in both regions to account for 'flux'.

Why muddy the waters further?
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10 minutes ago, G4Mac said:

There is no need for anyone to move between regions. It wont be required. There are more than enough clubs in both regions to account for 'flux'.

Why muddy the waters further?

 

We should eventually have a 16 team WOSFL Premier and a 16 team EOSFL Premier with two LL promotion places at stake for the respective winners of each league.  

Let us say Caledonian Braves and Cumbernauld Colts get relegated from the LL. We will then have a situation of 17 teams in the WOSFL Premier and 15 teams in the EOSFL Premier.

We can equalise the situation by refusing a promotion place in the WOSFL Div 1 (creating huge discontent) and creating an additional promotion place from EOSFL Div 1 (creating huge celebration). Much fairer to move a club from WOSFL Premier margins to the EOSFL Premier (as they would in the English Pyramid).

I think we need the wisdom of Hibeejeebee on this one.

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1 minute ago, Pyramidic said:

 

We should eventually have a 16 team WOSFL Premier and a 16 team EOSFL Premier with two LL promotion places at stake for the respective winners of each league.  

Let us say Caledonian Braves and Cumbernauld Colts get relegated from the LL. We will then have a situation of 17 teams in the WOSFL Premier and 15 teams in the EOSFL Premier.

We can equalise the situation by refusing a promotion place in the WOSFL Div 1 (creating huge discontent) and creating an additional promotion place from EOSFL Div 1 (creating huge celebration). Much fairer to move a club from WOSFL Premier margins to the EOSFL Premier (as they would in the English Pyramid).

I think we need the wisdom of Hibeejeebee on this one.

Or do what eos and lowland league currently do in the situation and relegate an extra club

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3 minutes ago, Pyramidic said:

 

We should eventually have a 16 team WOSFL Premier and a 16 team EOSFL Premier with two LL promotion places at stake for the respective winners of each league.  

Let us say Caledonian Braves and Cumbernauld Colts get relegated from the LL. We will then have a situation of 17 teams in the WOSFL Premier and 15 teams in the EOSFL Premier.

We can equalise the situation by refusing a promotion place in the WOSFL Div 1 (creating huge discontent) and creating an additional promotion place from EOSFL Div 1 (creating huge celebration). Much fairer to move a club from WOSFL Premier margins to the EOSFL Premier (as they would in the English Pyramid).

I think we need the wisdom of Hibeejeebee on this one.

You would relegate one more from the WOS and promote one more to the EOS.

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  We should eventually have a 16 team WOSFL Premier and a 16 team EOSFL Premier with two LL promotion places at stake for the respective winners of each league.   Let us say Caledonian Braves and Cumbernauld Colts get relegated from the LL. We will then have a situation of 17 teams in the WOSFL Premier and 15 teams in the EOSFL Premier.

We can equalise the situation by refusing a promotion place in the WOSFL Div 1 (creating huge discontent) and creating an additional promotion place from EOSFL Div 1 (creating huge celebration). Much fairer to move a club from WOSFL Premier margins to the EOSFL Premier (as they would in the English Pyramid).

I think we need the wisdom of Hibeejeebee on this one.

 

 

What are you talking about? Just because englandshire does something doesn't mean we should.

 

Move clubs up from the east first division.

 

If it is clearly stated what would happen, like the LL does, prior to the seasons start, no one can be anything other than contented.

 

Hibbee doesn't need to answer this. You are creating confusion and complicating something that doesn't need complicated.

 

There is already enough confusion for clubs making their mind up to join, they dont now need to worry about being asked to switch associations. Also where do you stop filtering over? If enough teams go would we be at a point where kilsyth or cumbernauld (if they join) go east.....that's just nonesensical.

 

 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Pyramidic said:

 

We should eventually have a 16 team WOSFL Premier and a 16 team EOSFL Premier with two LL promotion places at stake for the respective winners of each league.  

Let us say Caledonian Braves and Cumbernauld Colts get relegated from the LL. We will then have a situation of 17 teams in the WOSFL Premier and 15 teams in the EOSFL Premier.

We can equalise the situation by refusing a promotion place in the WOSFL Div 1 (creating huge discontent) and creating an additional promotion place from EOSFL Div 1 (creating huge celebration). Much fairer to move a club from WOSFL Premier margins to the EOSFL Premier (as they would in the English Pyramid).

I think we need the wisdom of Hibeejeebee on this one.

Well in this seasons EoS Premier, the bottom 3 will go down, or it might be 4 depending on what happens above between SPFL and LL.  That is how it works, and that is how it will work in a WoS.  No club will be told to move region, there is absolutely no reason to, forget England.

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1 minute ago, Burnie_man said:

Well in this seasons EoS Premier, the bottom 3 will go down, or it might be 4 depending on what happens above between SPFL and LL.  That is how it works, and that is how it will work in a WoS.  No club will be told to move region, there is absolutely no reason to, forget England.

Would you agree that the border could move between the possible north and south leagues at tier 8?

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Just now, never been to scotland said:

Would you agree that the border could move between the possible north and south leagues at tier 8?

There isn't a tier 8.

However let's be absolutely clear here.  West Lothian is an EoS area, and the EoS already has 3 clubs from WL and that will no doubt increase.  There is absolutely no need for a new WoSFL to take clubs from WL when there is already a league for them to join.  They will have more than enough interest from clubs who come from geniuinely west of Scotland areas.  It's a pointless debate as we don't even know if Fauldhouse will even move anywhere!

As was said yesterday, we need to keep this as simple and straightforward as possible.   WRJFA = WoS and ERJFA = EoS. No ambiguity.

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