Junior football, what is the future?

[LongTimeLurker]

3 minutes ago, Arthurlie1981 said:

Does this mean that the LL & EOS had changed their opinion on the west region joining?

For only the west region to join using Option W they would have needed to break away from the SJFA given the SJFA posture was that it had to join intact with all three regions joining at the same time, so not really. What a lot of people never seemed to grasp on here was that the EoS and LL were always effectively saying that they didn't want the SJFA to be involved, but that they had no problem with the west region breaking away from the SJFA and joining as the west feeder.

[gaz5]

Does this mean that the LL & EOS had changed their opinion on the west region joining?

Only under the control of the SJFA. Patience appears to have finally been lost with the way they went about their business and to be honest that is entirely on them.

Hence the setting up of a new league so that the clubs have the option to move if they want, without bringing the organisation with them.

You have to look at it through a lens of how the EoS, LL and SoS operate. It's a collaborative body of league's who work closely aiming to drive the non league game forward.

Evidence would suggest that bringing the SJFA into that group would hinder the ability to move things forward, given their clear distain towards everyone and everything non "joonyur".

Setting up a new league with officials from outside of the SJFA would appear, going by all evidence of the last 10 years, to be the best way to keep that collaboration between the league's/associations to drive the non league game forward in the pyramid.

[gaz5]

For only the west region to join using Option W they would have needed to break away from the SJFA given the SJFA posture was that it had to join intact with all three regions joining at the same time, so not really. What a lot of people never seemed to grasp on here was that the EoS and LL were always effectively saying that they didn't want the SJFA to be involved, but that they had no problem with the west region breaking away from the SJFA and joining as the west feeder.

For the first time, we are in agreement.

We live in crazy times indeed. [emoji44][emoji1787]

[Beenzon-Toste]

Does this mean that the LL & EOS had changed their opinion on the west region joining?

Finally catching on.
Except that they never had any intention of letting the WRSJFA in. All lies and smokescreen to make them out to be the good guys.
Looks like TJ's last email to the clubs is not so ridiculous after all.

[Burnie_man]

6 minutes ago, Beenzon-Toste said:

Finally catching on.
Except that they never had any intention of letting the WRSJFA in. All lies and smokescreen to make them out to be the good guys.
Looks like TJ's last email to the clubs is not so ridiculous after all.

Yes they did, last year it was an open goal as more than one contributor to here has stated.  The SJFA didn't want it. They still don't want it.

TAJ re-iterated that "all-in or none in" remained their stance (he forgot to add that into his "minutes"), which is clearly unworkable, and an illustration of the SJFA's refusal to compromise or consider alternatives.

I guess the LL had enough of listening to him over the years, as have his clubs.

 

Edited February 6, 2020 by Burnie_man

[Ross.]

8 minutes ago, Beenzon-Toste said:

Finally catching on.
Except that they never had any intention of letting the WRSJFA in. All lies and smokescreen to make them out to be the good guys.
Looks like TJ's last email to the clubs is not so ridiculous after all.

 

Edited February 6, 2020 by Ross.

[gaz5]

Finally catching on.

Except that they never had any intention of letting the WRSJFA in. All lies and smokescreen to make them out to be the good guys.

Looks like TJ's last email to the clubs is not so ridiculous after all.

[emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]

 

I was sat in the EoS meeting where all clubs we represented and the WRSJFA were invited for this season, without the East, in front of RP and IM and not a single dissenting voice.

 

It was widely reported afterwards, prior to the "done deal" of all in at Tier 6 being confirmed as having never been done.

 

Remind me, was that ever offered to the WRSJFA clubs to vote on?

 

It was an option again for discussion this year, but it had been tweaked slightly to continue to be run by SJFA, not the West region.

 

Yet that wasn't even presented as an option at the West meeting, where multiple people in attendance have confirmed they were told option z was the one they were taking forward and that it had LL support.

 

I think you have your wires crossed. TJ had two opportunities to talk to clubs about the West region only and he declined both.

 

The LL presented a fifth option, a WoS league not connected to the SJFA that any West clubs could join. He declined that as well, stating that none of his clubs were interested.

 

3 occasions over 2 seasons TJ has had to get his West clubs in if they wanted to be in (and it's fine if some don't). He's kiboshed all 3.

 

For those who have been involved to some degree in all of this, his email is a fabrication. Nothing less.

 

[Beenzon-Toste]

Yes they did, last year it was an open goal as more than one contributor to here has stated.  The SJFA didn't want it. They still don't want it.
TAJ re-iterated that "all-in or none in" remained their stance (he forgot to add that into his "minutes"), which is clearly unworkable, and an illustration of the SJFA's refusal to compromise or consider alternatives.
I guess the LL had enough of listening to him over the years, as have his clubs.
 

Like I said, all lies and a smokescreen to cover up their scheme to destroy the SJFA.
2 members of the PWG that happen to have a crossover of officials running their organisation, made mugs out of Petrie and Maxwell and shafted the SJFA to satisfy their own ends.

[Burnie_man]

1 minute ago, Beenzon-Toste said:

Like I said, all lies and a smokescreen to cover up their scheme to destroy the SJFA.
2 members of the PWG that happen to have a crossover of officials running their organisation, made mugs out of Petrie and Maxwell and shafted the SJFA to satisfy their own ends.

LOL that's the Beenze "done deal" Toste we know, don't have a meltdown now 

[Marshmallo]

So today we have the LL/SFA/EoS being apportioned blame, calls to close this thread, and a suggestion that the WRJFA might yet be accepted in an unspecified timeframe. Muddy that water baby!

[FairWeatherFan]

19 minutes ago, Beenzon-Toste said:

Like I said, all lies and a smokescreen to cover up their scheme to destroy the SJFA.
2 members of the PWG that happen to have a crossover of officials running their organisation, made mugs out of Petrie and Maxwell and shafted the SJFA to satisfy their own ends.

What two people of the PWG hold crossover positions? 

[GNU_Linux]

Forgive me if I can't trust the body that told us 'Option Z has backing btw tier 5 next season'

[Beenzon-Toste]

LOL that's the Beenze "done deal" Toste we know, don't have a meltdown now [emoji1787]

Looks like I've hit a nerve.

[Beenzon-Toste]

So none of the four options given to the WRSJFA clubs to consider were ever going to be accepted ?

Nice to see you've also caught on to the lies.

[Burnie_man]

Looks like I've hit a nerve.

No, we're laughing at you (again), it's like old times[emoji23]

 

[Marten]

1 hour ago, edinabear said:

This thread is absolute nonsense. Nothing new for about 50 pages. The same 3-4 posters giving each other dutch runners. it should be locked

[Beenzon-Toste]

What two people of the PWG hold crossover positions? 

I never said there was 2 people on the PWG with crossover positions.

[FairWeatherFan]

3 minutes ago, gogsy said:

That isn't what he says in the post you quoted. He states 2 members of the PWG ie LL and EOS league have a crossover of officials. The rest of his post is clearly nonsense though.

Shhh! Stop helping him

Just now, Beenzon-Toste said:

10 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:

What two people of the PWG hold crossover positions? 

I never said there was 2 people on the PWG with crossover positions.

Then who are the two members?

[Beenzon-Toste]

Then who are the two members?

The LL and the EOSL are 2 members of the PWG.

[Beenzon-Toste]

That isn't what he says in the post you quoted. He states 2 members of the PWG ie LL and EOS league have a crossover of officials. The rest of his post is clearly nonsense though.

Nonsense?
Of course it's nonsense.
Who would have thought that those nice guys in the LL and the EOSL could come up with something so machiavellian?