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Junior football, what is the future?


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Unless clubs take control away from those running the sjfa, they will forever wonder what could have been. There are clubs who want into the pyramid, that much is clear now, however these scenarios require one big push. If there is still resistance by the junior fa after that push then the clubs will have it confirmed, yet again that TJ and his chums are in this for themselves, not the clubs they represent.

If what he is quoted as saying is correct regarding junior clubs interest in the pyramid, he has essentially went against the original vote and the recent survey of clubs.

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2 minutes ago, G4Mac said:


If what he is quoted as saying is correct regarding junior clubs interest in the pyramid, he has essentially went against the original vote and the recent survey of clubs

He will take the politicians line and say the Clubs voted to go en masse, not as individuals and was correct in what he said...

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12 minutes ago, Dev said:

Who's this TJ character then that people are talking about?

Is it that nice guy who represents all that the once great Juniors stood for or is it the person who is unable to change with the times and seems to "misunderstand" his role completely. He could have had control of the semi-pro scene if he'd had his wits about him all those years ago when the Pyramid first came along.

TJ has represented the SJFA on every version of the PWG. Which I think dates back to 2002 following the Airdrie/Clydebank situation and some talk over putting something in place. Popping up every once in a while since then.

Screenshot from the Tayport/Maryhill programme for their semi final in 2003. TJ was Secretary of the SJFA. Scott Robertson started this year as General Secretary in the West and John Fyfe is still the Assistant Secretary in West, now doubling up as interim General Secretary.

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1 hour ago, wow-wee said:

It's now clear someone is lying to the West club's at the West meeting they told the club's that option Z was what the SFA and the LL wanted only the EOSL was against it now we know this is a complete lie ! If TJ told the West region this he should be kicked out of office if he didn't say this then the West region committee should all resign from office. That twice they have lied to the club's they also said last year we would we in the pyramid now . Juniors officials in office can no longer be trusted and should step down with immediate effect.

The mis-information fed to clubs from the SJFA concerning the Pyramid has been going on for years.

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Meanwhile in the North...

Gossip on FitbaNorth is that there will be another*** meeting next month around the Highland Pyramid getting set up with NCL and North Juniors.

***Nobody has mentioned the meeting that was said to have happened earlier this month where clubs were "forced" into signing up for the pyramid.

 

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It's becoming clear that once again there was no genuine intention of agreeing to anything that would mean a loss of perceived power. A lot of clubs were giving the SJFA the benefit of the doubt, but I understand there are already a good few clubs more than ready to break ranks this time around.

And that's all it'll take...just like all it took was Kelty and Dalkeith initially, and look where the East is now thanks to the domino effect their declaration of their intentions set in train.

I reckon this year was the last chance saloon to get the job done neatly. I imagine some at the SJFA will see kicking the can down the road yet further as a victory, but it'll be a pyrrhic one... they've ensured that they'll remain in power over a rump SJFA that will still exist in some form, but it'll be increasingly an irrelevant footballing Brigadoon like the Welfare FA.

 

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I started taking an interest in the pyramid when the lowland league was formed.

I have zero previous knowledge or intel on any of the junior teams or committees, but even just from reading on here I knew that he had no intention of letting this happen.

I have no idea how there are so many well run clubs in the west that have put up with this for so long or let these pyramid meetings run their inevitable course. The racism fiasco at the AGM a couple of weeks ago said it all for me, the way that was handled smacks of a bunch of ignorant old
Men that are in charge of what could be an amazing prosperous set up (as I’m sure it was a couple of decades ago).

It certainly isn’t a decision to be taken lightly, but some committees need to grow a set and make the leap, granted, it shouldn’t need to be this way but they need to do it to secure their own futures for years to come.

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I started taking an interest in the pyramid when the lowland league was formed.

I have zero previous knowledge or intel on any of the junior teams or committees, but even just from reading on here I knew that he had no intention of letting this happen.

I have no idea how there are so many well run clubs in the west that have put up with this for so long or let these pyramid meetings run their inevitable course. The racism fiasco at the AGM a couple of weeks ago said it all for me, the way that was handled smacks of a bunch of ignorant old
Men that are in charge of what could be an amazing prosperous set up (as I’m sure it was a couple of decades ago).

It certainly isn’t a decision to be taken lightly, but some committees need to grow a set and make the leap, granted, it shouldn’t need to be this way but they need to do it to secure their own futures for years to come.

Spot on, its quite funny that SR a man who was so resistant to change could be one of the driving forces behind the biggest change ever.
Maybe some of the wrsjfa clubs will wait a season before they apply for a wosl! 12 clubs playing each other twice = 22 league games, a west of Scotland cup and the sosl/ll cup or whatever its called would make for a decent spectacle. No fcuking sectional cup hopefully!! If the clubs im hearing (5 so far with a good pedigree over a few levels of the junior non pyramid) do go for it then we’d have the basis of a decently followed league, certainly clubs with the potential to grow very well in a set up that would ensure longevity.
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4 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:


Spot on, its quite funny that SR a man who was so resistant to change could be one of the driving forces behind the biggest change ever.
Maybe some of the wrsjfa clubs will wait a season before they apply for a wosl! 12 clubs playing each other twice = 22 league games, a west of Scotland cup and the sosl/ll cup or whatever its called would make for a decent spectacle. No fcuking sectional cup hopefully!! If the clubs im hearing (5 so far with a good pedigree over a few levels of the junior non pyramid) do go for it then we’d have the basis of a decently followed league, certainly clubs with the potential to grow very well in a set up that would ensure longevity.

Will those clubs that decide to wait a season before entering the WoSFL have to start at Tier7 if 16 clubs enter for the 2020/21 season?

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9 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:


Spot on, its quite funny that SR a man who was so resistant to change could be one of the driving forces behind the biggest change ever.
Maybe some of the wrsjfa clubs will wait a season before they apply for a wosl! 12 clubs playing each other twice = 22 league games, a west of Scotland cup and the sosl/ll cup or whatever its called would make for a decent spectacle. No fcuking sectional cup hopefully!! If the clubs im hearing (5 so far with a good pedigree over a few levels of the junior non pyramid) do go for it then we’d have the basis of a decently followed league, certainly clubs with the potential to grow very well in a set up that would ensure longevity.

 

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Just now, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:


Spot on, its quite funny that SR a man who was so resistant to change could be one of the driving forces behind the biggest change ever.
Maybe some of the wrsjfa clubs will wait a season before they apply for a wosl! 12 clubs playing each other twice = 22 league games, a west of Scotland cup and the sosl/ll cup or whatever its called would make for a decent spectacle. No fcuking sectional cup hopefully!! If the clubs im hearing (5 so far with a good pedigree over a few levels of the junior non pyramid) do go for it then we’d have the basis of a decently followed league, certainly clubs with the potential to grow very well in a set up that would ensure longevity.

12 clubs = 22 league season

  1. SFA South Region Challenge Cup: 82(? depends who else moves but 70 this year plus 12 as a minimum) teams from the LL, WoSFL, EoSFL, SoSFL and Glasgow University.
  2. West of Scotland League Cup: 12 WoSFL teams

Then either of these potentially

  • Alba Cup: Any WoSFL club not playing in the 2020-21 Scottish Cup and the likely to be 9 SoSFL clubs that don't play in the Scottish Cup.
  • Scottish Cup: West Premiership winner, Junior Cup winner and Girvan if any of them had moved to the WoSFL.

There's talk about doing away with qualifiers and only having licenced teams in the Scottish Cup. So a WoSFL might not want to enter the Alba Cup. That right now has the winner play-off against the Alex Jack Cup winner for a place in the Scottish Cup. If it still has a qualifying place it might be attractive to the WoSFL and be attractive to the SoSFL members who might get more of a payday against west sides than the one Shield final.

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12 clubs = 22 league season
  1. SFA South Region Challenge Cup: 82(? depends who else moves but 70 this year plus 12 as a minimum) teams from the LL, WoSFL, EoSFL, SoSFL and Glasgow University.
  2. West of Scotland League Cup: 12 WoSFL teams
Then either of these potentially
  • Alba Cup: Any WoSFL club not playing in the 2020-21 Scottish Cup and the likely to be 9 SoSFL clubs that don't play in the Scottish Cup.
  • Scottish Cup: West Premiership winner, Junior Cup winner and Girvan if any of them had moved to the WoSFL.
There's talk about doing away with qualifiers and only having licenced teams in the Scottish Cup. So a WoSFL might not want to enter the Alba Cup. That right now has the winner play-off against the Alex Jack Cup winner for a place in the Scottish Cup. If it still has a qualifying place it might be attractive to the WoSFL and be attractive to the SoSFL members who might get more of a payday against west sides than the one Shield final.

Sounds pretty appealing!!
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12 clubs = 22 league season
  1. SFA South Region Challenge Cup: 82(? depends who else moves but 70 this year plus 12 as a minimum) teams from the LL, WoSFL, EoSFL, SoSFL and Glasgow University.
  2. West of Scotland League Cup: 12 WoSFL teams
Then either of these potentially
  • Alba Cup: Any WoSFL club not playing in the 2020-21 Scottish Cup and the likely to be 9 SoSFL clubs that don't play in the Scottish Cup.
  • Scottish Cup: West Premiership winner, Junior Cup winner and Girvan if any of them had moved to the WoSFL.
There's talk about doing away with qualifiers and only having licenced teams in the Scottish Cup. So a WoSFL might not want to enter the Alba Cup. That right now has the winner play-off against the Alex Jack Cup winner for a place in the Scottish Cup. If it still has a qualifying place it might be attractive to the WoSFL and be attractive to the SoSFL members who might get more of a payday against west sides than the one Shield final.
Also possibility of the Glasgow Cup for clubs that'd be eligible. All the other county cups out west are dead however.
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1 minute ago, GNU_Linux said:
10 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:
12 clubs = 22 league season
  1. SFA South Region Challenge Cup: 82(? depends who else moves but 70 this year plus 12 as a minimum) teams from the LL, WoSFL, EoSFL, SoSFL and Glasgow University.
  2. West of Scotland League Cup: 12 WoSFL teams
Then either of these potentially
  • Alba Cup: Any WoSFL club not playing in the 2020-21 Scottish Cup and the likely to be 9 SoSFL clubs that don't play in the Scottish Cup.
  • Scottish Cup: West Premiership winner, Junior Cup winner and Girvan if any of them had moved to the WoSFL.
There's talk about doing away with qualifiers and only having licenced teams in the Scottish Cup. So a WoSFL might not want to enter the Alba Cup. That right now has the winner play-off against the Alex Jack Cup winner for a place in the Scottish Cup. If it still has a qualifying place it might be attractive to the WoSFL and be attractive to the SoSFL members who might get more of a payday against west sides than the one Shield final.

Also possibility of the Glasgow Cup for clubs that'd be eligible. All the other county cups out west are dead however.

That may well work like the Fife FA Cup where you have to be a SFA member to be accepted.

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