Junior football, what is the future?

[glensmad]

EoS clubs are already in possession of the paperwork re the four suggestions I believe. Are any of the Junior clubs?

Yes

[Burnie_man]

9 hours ago, the sniper said:

9 hours ago, Burnie_man said:

EoS clubs are already in possession of the paperwork re the four suggestions I believe. Are any of the Junior clubs?

I've no idea I'm not aware of anything most information I've seen on here it seems dejavu from last year

One of the "suggestions" certainly is, and is a rather pointless inclusion (ERJFA in at tier 6).

Anyway, if the West clubs are in possession of the paperwork, then so should the East clubs.

[GNU_Linux]

Did it ever surface how the SOSL voted on the proposals last time? I'd guess they voted the same as EOS & LL most likely.

[LongTimeLurker]

1 minute ago, GNU_Linux said:

Did it ever surface how the SOSL voted on the proposals last time? I'd guess they voted the same as EOS & LL most likely.

In the minutes they questioned whether the LL playoff format had always required EoS, LL, SoS and SFA approval to change from what I remember, which hinted that they may not care that much on east feeders given it doesn't directly affect them.

[the sniper]

On the voice of junior football podcast one of the hosts say that the eos and the east juniors have come to an agreement for the east juniors to come in at tier 6

[Cyclizine]

5 hours ago, the sniper said:

On the voice of junior football podcast one of the hosts say that the eos and the east juniors have come to an agreement for the east juniors to come in at tier 6

This seems unlikely given the EoSFL's previous opposition to this. Also there's the promotion/relegation issues of what happens if a Tayside team wins the playoff and where does a relegated team from the LFL go? I could perhaps see the two southern ERJFA leagues coming in, but only at tier 7/8 and only as a temporary solution prior to a merger. Still leaves a load of East juniors out in the cold though.

[LongTimeLurker]

5 hours ago, the sniper said:

On the voice of junior football podcast one of the hosts say that the eos and the east juniors have come to an agreement for the east juniors to come in at tier 6

Surprised Burnie_man hasn't responded to this yet.

Think it would have to be the tier 7 option two for there to be any chance of it happening and even that's unlikely, unfortunately.

[Burnie_man]

On the voice of junior football podcast one of the hosts say that the eos and the east juniors have come to an agreement for the east juniors to come in at tier 6

Lol, the misinformation starts again! It's unbelievable that they appear to be going down the same "done deal" route in order to try and stop clubs leaving. Charlatans.

 

[Cornishman]

On 16/12/2019 at 07:23, LongTimeLurker said:

I doubt the SPFL would care that much about having three feeders because team 42 would still be playing the pyramid champion and identifying that champion is supposed to be an SFA matter.

They would care, though. 

Allowing there to be a second Tier5 League was a considerable concession on the part of the SPFL and they'll not brook a further 'dilution in standard' to three feeders for their members to have to drop into if relegated - notwithstanding that the influx of new licenced teams would see the three feeder-zones being of higher average standard than the original HFL/LFL duopoly.

It does, nevertheless, make sense to have three feeders from the bottom-up standpoint. So, what ideas could possibly cause the SPFL to become more enthusiastic to it?
a couple occur to me.

1. Measures to reduce the chances of any of their current Members to drop out of Tier4. Say, an increase in numbers in Memberships in both Tier3 & Tier4? Increase both to 16/18 teams.
2. Evolution of an internecine regional two-division Tier between Tier4 &Tier5, while present Tier5 expands to four regional Leagues - representing HFL & NoS, Fife & Tayside, WoS and EoS. New Tier4½ would cover HFL/NoS & Tayside areas (but, would be a higher division than the present HFL) in it's Northern Zone, with Fife, WoS and EoS being covered by it's Southern Zone (a 'glorified' LFL, now inc. Fife/WoS teams)

Edited December 19, 2019 by Cornishman

[Marshmallo]

6 hours ago, the sniper said:

On the voice of junior football podcast one of the hosts say that the eos and the east juniors have come to an agreement for the east juniors to come in at tier 6

@locheeboy @superbigal

[AlanCamelonfan]

31 minutes ago, Tynierose said:

No they haven't.  Four proposals have been sent to Eos clubs to consider and provide feed back at next league meeting.

My understanding on talking to other clubs is the proposal for east region juniors at level 6 is not going to happen.

We will find out in time of course.

 

Looks like its tj trying to stop clubs leaving again. So we will get nowhere again if these clubs believe this then they are stupid

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

Hearing over half the east clubs are looking at moving to the eosl anyway?

[Jason King]

Wouldn't surprise me.

What can the current Junior setup offer any club that is an improvement over what the pyramid currently offers?

[AsimButtHitsASix]

Does the SJFA have a decent wad of cash stashed away in their accounts. If the Juniors cease to be what happens to that money? Divided back up amongst the remaining member clubs?

[Dev]

1 hour ago, AlanCamelonfan said:

Looks like its tj trying to stop clubs leaving again. So we will get nowhere again if these clubs believe this then they are stupid

Unfortunately for the ERSJFA  its' clubs have heard all of this before. It proved to be non-sense then and it wouldn't exactly be a huge surprise to any of them if it turned out to be the same this time too.

Sadly it has come to this for loyal East Junior clubs. Loyalty not rewarded.

There again there are viable alternatives for them, should they choose to move. In the event that any East Juniors are considering a move to the EoS it may be best to put in applications to in time for the 31st March EoS dead-line. The EoS may make decisions then on the structure of the league for next season. More clubs could mean the need for an additional division/conference or two.

There are also clubs currently outside the EoS and East Region Juniors which have expressed interested in joining too in the past e.g. Eyemouth United, Glenrothes Strollers. Others could follow.

How many additional clubs could the EoS take in?

[AlanCamelonfan]

1 minute ago, Dev said:

Unfortunately for the ERSJFA  its' clubs have heard all of this before. It proved to be non-sense then and it wouldn't exactly be a huge surprise to any of them if it turned out to be the same this time too.

Sadly it has come to this for loyal East Junior clubs. Loyalty not rewarded.

There again there are viable alternatives for them, should they choose to move. In the event that any East Juniors are considering a move to the EoS it may be best to put in applications to in time for the 31st March EoS dead-line. The EoS may make decisions then on the structure of the league for next season. More clubs could mean the need for an additional division/conference or two.

There are also clubs currently outside the EoS and East Region Juniors which have expressed interested in joining too in the past e.g. Eyemouth United, Glenrothes Strollers. Others could follow.

How many additional clubs could the EoS take in?

I think they could take 18-20 anyway from ersjfa. Questions over whether boness linlithgow and sauchie community clubs would be allowed in

[Dev]

Presumably any Juniors applying would be acceptable, although some clubs may have to make plans for enclosing grounds, at least, on match days  There could be other issues too, who knows? However, such things can be sorted out if there is goodwill.

Aren't Community clubs separate anyway? If not then why not adjust the EoS rules - it wouldn't be difficult.

[Jason King]

I asked that earlier in the season - from memory,

 

Only Sauchie currently are seen as the same club as they allow transfer of players between the Junior and Senior club, Bert Smith for example could have played for the Juniors last week, be called up by the Seniors this week and then back with the Juniors next week.

Bo'ness and Linlithgow are totally separate clubs BUT it would seem daft to allow them in under their current names.

[FairWeatherFan]

1 hour ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

Hearing over half the east clubs are looking at moving to the eosl anyway?

Only 16 of the 38 clubs in the ERJFA  So that makes potential sense.

If they want to put the cat amongst the pigeons some of the North of Tay clubs should apply to the EoSFL saying officially the HL/LL boundary only relates to the SPFL clubs that gets relegated.

[Burnie_man]

Not sure why anyone would think that ERJFA at tier 6 would be acceptable this time round after it was unanimously rejected by the LL/EoS earlier this year, nothing has changed. Someone is having a laugh.

The proposal that sees ERJFA in at tier 7 promoting into the EoS Premier has some merit IF the aim is to merge both leagues after the initial first season. However if the intention is that the ERJFA continues separately ad infitum then really it seems a non-starter.

The LL West / LL East proposal has so many ifs and buts in it, it’s a non-starter really until such times as the west clubs come on board and begin getting licenced, and of course it still continues the issue of two leagues covering the same area at the same level ie ERJFA and EoS.

With all that in mind however, surely nothing can happen until the HL/LL line is finally addressed (either stays as is, or is moved, or is abolished) and that is an issue for SPFL/LL/HL to resolve, not the EoS or SJFA.  The EoS will not accept clubs from areas that the LL don’t cover, and currently the line hasn’t changed.

So it remains that the west coming in next season alone is the best and most straightforward way to move this process forward without needs to talk dividing lines.

Edited December 19, 2019 by Burnie_man