Junior football, what is the future?

[Vollyman]

Clydebank definitely yes.
I'm sure there are quite a few but if for example 1 supporter of a team who have 300 supporters of a team cannot be the spokesperson on here for them lol, it would be scaremongering and windups galore.  Suppose only the official statements from the club/committee would be the best way to find out.  Think in realty most don't want to show their cards incase it doesn't materialize.

[Guest]

Probably not a bad way to go about it but to paraphrase a line in Goodfellas, it's amongst the Scots real mince and tatties stuff. What it all boils down to is league and association officeholders keeping hold of as much power as possible, so anything that emerges is likely to be a compromise that keeps all the blazers reasonably happy on that score or there will have to be a mass exodus of clubs from at least one of the leagues involved.

It really, really isn't though. You know this. It has been put across many different ways to you and others.

There are only so many times it can be written before you stop playing the same tune, regardless of how many times you have it put to you that you are playing out if tune and rhythm.

And to say again. Let's not overcomplicated this.

-Wrsjfa form a wos feeder for the LL
-The rest of the ersjfa below the tay boundary line join the eos at its lowest entry point
-The sos remain as they are
-Those clubs north of the boundary line go north.

All 3 regions below the current LL and the North region below the HL.

Pyramid sorted. Easily. No fuss. No ambiguity. No special treatment.

[FairWeatherFan]

1 hour ago, G4Mac said:

It really, really isn't though. You know this. It has been put across many different ways to you and others.

There are only so many times it can be written before you stop playing the same tune, regardless of how many times you have it put to you that you are playing out if tune and rhythm.

And to say again. Let's not overcomplicated this.

-Wrsjfa form a wos feeder for the LL
-The rest of the ersjfa below the tay boundary line join the eos at its lowest entry point
-The sos remain as they are
-Those clubs north of the boundary line go north.

All 3 regions below the current LL and the North region below the HL.

Pyramid sorted. Easily. No fuss. No ambiguity. No special treatment.
 

aka scrap the SJFA and split the East Region in two.

[LongTimeLurker]

...and all without any fuss. Good luck with that. That may well be the broad outlines of the eventual outcome, but it is unlikely to happen smoothly and was very much covered by the "mass exodus of clubs from at least one of the leagues involved" part of my post.

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

aka scrap the SJFA and split the East Region in two.

Sounds good.

[FairWeatherFan]

6 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

Sounds good.

We're not the ones that need convincing.

[Robert James]

On 29/09/2019 at 20:30, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

There are.

Presumably SFA Licence applicants Cumnock and  Petershill, plus maybe Clydebank, but who else ?

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

Presumably SFA Licence applicants Cumnock and  Petershill, plus maybe Clydebank, but who else ?

Maybe Clydebank?lol. We were the first ones in the west to declare it was our intention.

[Guest]

aka scrap the SJFA and split the East Region in two.

Pretty much. The sjfa are irrelevant in this. Their members voted to join the pyramid. Let them reform as the new wos association for all I care. But the pyramid only works with one strand below the LL in each region (West, East and South). There is no requirement for anymore than that. With the nrsjfa feeding the HL.

A simple structure. Nothing difficult about it. Everything is there already for each area. What is stopping us I wonder?

[FairWeatherFan]

2 minutes ago, G4Mac said:

But the pyramid only works with one strand below the LL in each region (West, East and South). There is no requirement for anymore than that. With the nrsjfa feeding the HL.

A simple structure. Nothing difficult about it. Everything is there already for each area. What is stopping us I wonder?

We're ripping up leagues and associations. Yet the South is retained as its own region? 

[Ginaro]

16 minutes ago, G4Mac said:

But the pyramid only works with one strand below the LL in each region (West and East).

Fixed

[LongTimeLurker]

48 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:

We're ripping up leagues and associations. Yet the South is retained as its own region? 

...meaning there would effectively be two west feeders one from the juniors and one always senior, but for some reason we can't have that happening in the east, because that would just be silly unlike having what is mainly a D&G amateur league on board at tier 6. Confused? You will be after this week's episode of Soap.

[AlanCamelonfan]

31 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said:

...meaning there would effectively be two west feeders one from the juniors and one always senior, but for some reason we can't have that happening in the east, because that would just be silly unlike having what is mainly a D&G amateur league on board at tier 6. Confused? You will be after this week's episode of Soap.

Because it's not a chunk of clubs from the same area you go on about Kello which is 1 tm just because of the way a boundary line falls. Bonnyton and caledonian Braves reserve team is  because that is the  nearest senior league in pyramid. In the east youd have 22 clubs which if they were in pyramid should be in eosfl. 20 ersjfa south clubs and Tayport and scone

Edited September 30, 2019 by AlanCamelonfan

[cmontheloknow]

Can't see Bonnyton staying in SoS once the West gets its house in order. Trips to Dumfries every month or games around Ayrshire...

[LongTimeLurker]

8 hours ago, AlanCamelonfan said:

Because it's not a chunk of clubs from the same area you go on about Kello which is 1 tm just because of the way a boundary line falls. Bonnyton and caledonian Braves reserve team is  because that is the  nearest senior league in pyramid. In the east youd have 22 clubs which if they were in pyramid should be in eosfl. 20 ersjfa south clubs and Tayport and scone

So tell them that from an EoS standpoint the defection of most of the east superleague two seasons ago means they can realistically only be accepted at tier 7 in the east where having parallel geographically overlapping conferences doesn't seem to be an issue. Problem solved? Not if the agenda is more about ending the SJFA once and for all than it is about getting the pyramid kick started.

Edited October 1, 2019 by LongTimeLurker

[Gordon EF]

1 hour ago, LongTimeLurker said:

So tell them that from an EoS standpoint the defection of most of the east superleague two seasons ago means they can realistically only be accepted at tier 7 in the east where having parallel geographically overlapping conferences doesn't seem to be an issue. Problem solved? Not if the agenda is more about ending the SJFA once and for all than it is about getting the pyramid kick started.

I doubt there's many folk who's agenda is to destroy the SJFA. I imagine most just don't care whether it continues to exist or not.

[Burnie_man]

10 hours ago, LongTimeLurker said:

...meaning there would effectively be two west feeders one from the juniors and one always senior, but for some reason we can't have that happening in the east, because that would just be silly unlike having what is mainly a D&G amateur league on board at tier 6. Confused? You will be after this week's episode of Soap.

WoS and SoS don't completely overlap (unlike ERJFA and EoS), the SoS cover the south-west, the clue is in the name. There are some randoms in there due to lack of senior league in the west, and as has been said the likes of Bonnyton may well jump to a west senior league as would Caledonian Braves reserves.  But you know all this, there's nothing to be confused about.

[wow-wee]

For me there's not many options left here the sjfa  has no purpose and must cease to exist. The East must be all one association n not split in two, the West as it is and the North must come under the highland league of just form their own league as it is as they seem to have no interest in the pyramid . The other problem is the Tayside club's for me living in the West they don t belong in the North section they should be in the east .

[AlanCamelonfan]

1 minute ago, wow-wee said:

For me there's not many options left here the sjfa  has no purpose and must cease to exist. The East must be all one association n not split in two, the West as it is and the North must come under the highland league of just form their own league as it is as they seem to have no interest in the pyramid . The other problem is the Tayside club's for me living in the West they don t belong in the North section they should be in the east .

No they shouldn't they should be in the north. In the east u have teams as far down as berwick would travel to carnoustie. That would almost  be like ayrshire teams travelling to fife in terms of distance. You wouldnt accept that in the west so why should it be accepted in the east

[FairWeatherFan]

13 minutes ago, Burnie_man said:

WoS and SoS don't completely overlap (unlike ERJFA and EoS), the SoS cover the south-west, the clue is in the name. There are some randoms in there due to lack of senior league in the west, and as has been said the likes of Bonnyton may well jump to a west senior league as would Caledonian Braves reserves.  But you know all this, there's nothing to be confused about.

Yes, but we're scrapping the East Region in order to provide unity in the East of Scotland area. Yet for the West of Scotland area people are happy for the SoSFL to continue as is while also restricting it to just Dumfries & Galloway.

So what exactly would the boundary be between the WoSFL and SoSFL? And how many historical anachronisms have to be written in to allow clubs to continue where they are.