Junior football, what is the future?

[Burnie_man]

They wont be stopping it at any level, although I wish they'd get on with sorting out the current applications.

[Arthurlie1981]

Poor from the EOSFL & LL. They have offered no alternative but have shot down the one option on the table. Looking at the minutes they have been nothing but obstructive and dismissive of any ideas put forward. Now they want to create another closed shop that won’t allow for any progression from the West unless you come begging. Maybe some of what I have heard is true that the EOS clubs are happy with the status quo and left the the east region because they were being dominated by the west and don’t want that to happen again so will vote down all options in hope of doing so.

Time for the SFA to take get them under control and sort it out.

[Gimme]

Poor from the EOSFL & LL. They have offered no alternative but have shot down the one option on the table. Looking at the minutes they have been nothing but obstructive and dismissive of any ideas put forward. Now they want to create another closed shop that won’t allow for any progression from the West unless you come begging. Maybe some of what I have heard is true that the EOS clubs are happy with the status quo and left the the east region because they were being dominated by the west and don’t want that to happen again so will vote down all options in hope of doing so.

Time for the SFA to take get them under control and sort it out.

Its nothing to do with the West coming in, the issue is, and always has been, the shitshow that's been suggested for the East.

Bring the West on board, EoS absorbs East Region clubs below the dividing line and the problem goes away. The East, West and South then play off for whatever promotion slots can be negotiated once enough clubs are licensed.

After that its up to the SFA and SJFA to sort the issues in the North, which includes the clubs North of the Tay because that's where they belong.

[GNU_Linux]

Poor from the EOSFL & LL. They have offered no alternative but have shot down the one option on the table. Looking at the minutes they have been nothing but obstructive and dismissive of any ideas put forward. Now they want to create another closed shop that won’t allow for any progression from the West unless you come begging. Maybe some of what I have heard is true that the EOS clubs are happy with the status quo and left the the east region because they were being dominated by the west and don’t want that to happen again so will vote down all options in hope of doing so.

 

Time for the SFA to take get them under control and sort it out.

 

The EOS have met with the ERJFA directly after reaching out to them & are planning to do so again next month. Clearly they want a solution to the issue in the east. If they were to accept the SFA proposal you'd have say Bathgate & Blackburn 2 miles or so apart playing in seperate feeder systems for no logical reason. Furthermore the proposal means the SJFA getting entry for no comprimise & the EOS getting shafted despite is being the established feeder in the east.

 

[Burnie_man]

24 minutes ago, Arthurlie1981 said:

Poor from the EOSFL & LL. They have offered no alternative but have shot down the one option on the table. Looking at the minutes they have been nothing but obstructive and dismissive of any ideas put forward. Now they want to create another closed shop that won’t allow for any progression from the West unless you come begging. Maybe some of what I have heard is true that the EOS clubs are happy with the status quo and left the the east region because they were being dominated by the west and don’t want that to happen again so will vote down all options in hope of doing so.

Time for the SFA to take get them under control and sort it out.

Sorry that's utter nonsense, it's not upto the EoS and LL to come up with solutions, the EoS made it abundantly clear that there were no objectiones to West, North, and north of Tay coming in, but there was a problem in the east of Scotland.  Those concerns have been ignored.  The EoS and LL have raised concerns about inconsistent disciplinary procedures, these concerns have also been ignored.  Different solutions are required in each region, but this has been ignored by the SJFA and SFA.  Neither can the SJFA be allowed to run along different lines on discipline.

It's time the SFA and SJFA started listening and responding to concerns.  The SFA just want a drag and drop approach and walk away. Not happening.

Maybe now, Maxwell and TJ will listen, and everyone can get down to discussing a proper solution.  Maybe it's time the SFA told the SJFA to bring the leagues to the table and discuss different solutions directly without TJ.   He is trying to keep his job relevant, and that is a major part of the problem.

[Kilbowie Benches]

38 minutes ago, Burnie_man said:

Sorry that's utter nonsense, it's not upto the EoS and LL to come up with solutions, the EoS made it abundantly clear that there were no objectiones to West, North, and north of Tay coming in, but there was a problem in the east of Scotland.  Those concerns have been ignored.  The EoS and LL have raised concerns about inconsistent disciplinary procedures, these concerns have also been ignored.  Different solutions are required in each region, but this has been ignored by the SJFA and SFA.  Neither can the SJFA be allowed to run along different lines on discipline.

It's time the SFA and SJFA started listening and responding to concerns.  The SFA just want a drag and drop approach and walk away. Not happening.

Maybe now, Maxwell and TJ will listen, and everyone can get down to discussing a proper solution.  Maybe it's time the SFA told the SJFA to bring the leagues to the table and discuss different solutions directly without TJ.   He is trying to keep his job relevant, and that is a major part of the problem.

Or they can just suspend licensing until the EoSL fall into line.

[Burnie_man]

4 minutes ago, Kilbowie Benches said:

Or they can just suspend licensing until the EoSL fall into line.

Nope, they wont do that either, the LL also have major issues with what was proposed, suspend the LL? get real.

 What happened to your guarantee that the West were in next season, where does that leave Clydebank given the members voted to join the pyramid next season? Maybe if the West told TJ to bolt and negotiated their own entry you might get somewhere.

Edited March 31, 2019 by Burnie_man

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

Nope, they wont do that either, the LL also have major issues with what was proposed, suspend the LL? get real.
 What happened to your guarantee that the West were in next season, where does that leave Clydebank given the members vited to join the pyramid next season? Maybe if the West told TJ to bolt and negotiated their own entry you might get somewhere.

Still entirely unclear to Clydebank share holders whats happening..

[Kilbowie Benches]

5 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

Still entirely unclear to Clydebank share holders whats happening..

Nothing is happening you know that.

Pointless and costly going to tier 7 in the East 

[Kilbowie Benches]

11 minutes ago, Burnie_man said:

Nope, they wont do that either, the LL also have major issues with what was proposed, suspend the LL? get real.

 What happened to your guarantee that the West were in next season, where does that leave Clydebank given the members voted to join the pyramid next season? Maybe if the West told TJ to bolt and negotiated their own entry you might get somewhere.

Maybe if Greenhorn relayed what was actually happening at PWG meetings clubs would  know what was actually happening.

Edited March 31, 2019 by Kilbowie Benches

[Robert James]

8 hours ago, Kilbowie Benches said:

From what I hear licensing will be getting stopped anyway.

Wow.......and  April the First, is still more than 3 hours away !

Keep up the postings.

Uncle Bob.

[Guest]

So just so I have this straight in my head, here is what the sjfa, junior fans and those connected with junior football in the east and west want to happen:

The current pyramid set up covering the Lowland area (LL, eos and sos) who were the associations who bought into the pyramid at its inception (both the eos and sos being heavily weakened as a result) and took the decisions they did regarding the setting up of a LL, based on what's best for the greater good, are to now cease to have any say in matters and stop being 'obstructive' and do things for the greater good. All this because an association, that wholeheartedly chose not to buy into the concept of the pyramid at its inception because they didn't want involved (for many different reasons), have now had a massive change of heart (even though the pyramid hasn't changed one bit) and want to wade in and get the benefit that they passed up on only 5 years ago. 

Can no one else see why there would be objections from the LL and eos under these conditions, because I think these objections are a very reasoned response to what is and has always been an unreasonable request..... In the east of the country at least. 

[Burnie_man]

1 minute ago, Kilbowie Benches said:

Maybe if Greenhorn relayed what was actually happening at PWG meetings clubs would  know what was actually happening.

He does and that's clear by what is currently happening.  Stop swallowing the guff fed to you by TJ.

So, Clydebank next season, what happens?  do you think the West should start controlling this themselves to get somewhere or do you join EoS to keep your Pyramid commitment?

[Robert James]

3 minutes ago, Burnie_man said:

He does and that's clear by what is currently happening.  Stop swallowing the guff fed to you by TJ.

So, Clydebank next season, what happens?  do you think the West should start controlling this themselves to get somewhere or do you join EoS to keep your Pyramid commitment?

If the West Region doesn't join the pyramid, as expected (and supported) on here, why have 2 West Junior clubs already  submitted club  licence applications ?

Totally confusing for everyone.

[Burnie_man]

1 minute ago, Robert James said:

If the West Region doesn't join the pyramid, as expected (and supported) on here, why have 2 West Junior clubs already  submitted club  licence applications ?

Totally confusing for everyone.

You'd probably need to ask the SFA that.

[Kilbowie Benches]

11 minutes ago, Burnie_man said:

He does and that's clear by what is currently happening.  Stop swallowing the guff fed to you by TJ.

So, Clydebank next season, what happens?  do you think the West should start controlling this themselves to get somewhere or do you join EoS to keep your Pyramid commitment?

We can’t wait to beat shite like  Eyemouth  12-0.The people in Clydebank are salivating at the prospect 

[craigkillie]

If the West Region doesn't join the pyramid, as expected (and supported) on here, why have 2 West Junior clubs already  submitted club  licence applications ?
Totally confusing for everyone.

Anyone can submit a license application. I could put together a team playing in my back garden and apply for a license. It wouldn't get accepted though, because my garden wouldn't meet the criteria. Likewise, the West Juniors can apply, but if they're not in the pyramid then they probably won't get one.

They've made the application on the assumption that they will be, but that doesn't mean that they definitely will be.

[Burnie_man]

1 minute ago, Kilbowie Benches said:

We can’t wait to beat shite like  Eyemouth  12-0.The people in Clydebank are salivating at the prospect 

You're avoiding the question. ICR says members are in the dark. Maybe you can clarify where you will be playing next season.

[Kilbowie Benches]

3 minutes ago, Burnie_man said:

You're avoiding the question. ICR says members are in the dark. Maybe you can clarify where you will be playing next season.

Holm Park 

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

We can’t wait to beat shite like  Eyemouth  12-0.The people in Clydebank are salivating at the prospect 

‘Shite like eyemouth’? Cmon to f**k mate thats not what our club is about? Regardless of the fact we’re not going EOSL ‘shite like eyemouth’ said we were welcome last year, that takes a bit of decency and it should be shown back to them?