Burnie_man Posted March 10, 2019 Author Share Posted March 10, 2019 Let's say the West Region gets into the pyramid by itself for the 2019-20 season. How does the LL Pyramid Play-off structure get phrased? Right now it requres the agreement of all parties SFA, Lowland, EoS & SoS. Does that get changed to SFA, Lowland, EoS, SoS & SJFA or SFA, Lowland, EoS, SoS & WRSJFA?Who knows, you'd think the individual league who are actually involved. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Just now, Burnie_man said: 2 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said: Let's say the West Region gets into the pyramid by itself for the 2019-20 season. How does the LL Pyramid Play-off structure get phrased? Right now it requres the agreement of all parties SFA, Lowland, EoS & SoS. Does that get changed to SFA, Lowland, EoS, SoS & SJFA or SFA, Lowland, EoS, SoS & WRSJFA? Who knows, you'd think the individual league who are actually involved. It's an important distinction. While the SFA is a national body it's basically left the leagues to organise themselves. If the SJFA are in there then the East Region has a representative that can veto any changes while negotiating its entry. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted March 10, 2019 Author Share Posted March 10, 2019 It's an important distinction. While the SFA is a national body it's basically left the leagues to organise themselves. If the SJFA are in there then the East Region has a representative that can veto any changes while negotiating its entry.Good point, but you'd probably find the WRJFA would do that as well if neccesary. It all calls into question why the SJFA are involved in the PWG and not the individual leagues themselves. We all know different leagues need different solutions. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNU_Linux Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 It's an important distinction. While the SFA is a national body it's basically left the leagues to organise themselves. If the SJFA are in there then the East Region has a representative that can veto any changes while negotiating its entry.It also highlights that not having the regions themselves involved with the PWG was a massive oversight 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 5 minutes ago, Burnie_man said: Good point, but you'd probably find the WRJFA would do that as well if neccesary. It all calls into question why the SJFA are involved in the PWG and not the individual leagues themselves. We all know different leagues need different solutions. At the very least a year in the West Region might not be keen on the idea of an additional league complicating the playoff. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted March 10, 2019 Author Share Posted March 10, 2019 At the very least a year in the West Region might not be keen on the idea of an additional league complicating the playoff.Aye, true. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLad Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 It can only be expected but there seems to a ranging variety of interpretations on what was voted for by junior teams.Ranges from 'yes we would to be part of the pyramid at some point'To'All regions to be in at tier 6 from season 19/20, maintaining junior status, still having the Scottish Junior Cup'I suspect the question/s were somewhere in between and people, in the absence of hard facts and open communications and documents that aren't leaked, that people get a bit carried away about what is happening and what will happen.Does anyone recall the specific wording of what was asked? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilbowie Benches Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 The vote was for the Juniors to join the pyramid.That is what will happen. It doesn’t suit Donald Trump and his EoS mates that there was no timescale given or a mandate that every region must go in at the same time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLad Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 The vote was for the Juniors to join the pyramid.That is what will happen. It doesn’t suit Donald Trump and his EoS mates that there was no timescale given or a mandate that every region must go in at the same time.so no timescales at all for any of it? Wow, might be a few years then.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilbowie Benches Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 1 minute ago, TheLad said: 7 minutes ago, Kilbowie Benches said: The vote was for the Juniors to join the pyramid.That is what will happen. It doesn’t suit Donald Trump and his EoS mates that there was no timescale given or a mandate that every region must go in at the same time. No no timescales at all for any of it? Wow, might be a few years then.... Probably will be for the North. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTID Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Can’t believe it’s now March and we’re still in the dark about whats happening with the juniors next year. Farcical from those running our game disgraceful. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilbowie Benches Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, BTID said: Can’t believe it’s now March and we’re still in the dark about whats happening with the juniors next year. Farcical from those running our game disgraceful. PWG meeting tomorrow. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted March 10, 2019 Author Share Posted March 10, 2019 The vote was for the Juniors to join the pyramid.That is what will happen. It doesn’t suit Donald Trump and his EoS mates that there was no timescale given or a mandate that every region must go in at the same time.I know facts don't sit well with your narrative but try and reply like an adult. It helps the debate. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted March 10, 2019 Author Share Posted March 10, 2019 It can only be expected but there seems to a ranging variety of interpretations on what was voted for by junior teams.Ranges from 'yes we would to be part of the pyramid at some point'To'All regions to be in at tier 6 from season 19/20, maintaining junior status, still having the Scottish Junior Cup'I suspect the question/s were somewhere in between and people, in the absence of hard facts and open communications and documents that aren't leaked, that people get a bit carried away about what is happening and what will happen.Does anyone recall the specific wording of what was asked?The clubs themselves should be questioning it as the understanding was that it was all-in as an Association, otherwise no deal. That was the clear message at AGM's I attended, and the mandate TJ was given, and as far as I am aware it's not changed, why would it as TJ thought that was what he was getting.He might still, but if it ends up that there is agreement for the West to enter next season but nowhere else, then it really needs to go to an egm to agree to that move. TJ was quoted in the PWG minutes from January that he couldn't (or wouldn't) advise members of the ERJFA to join the EoS, so that looks like he is sticking to his mandate, although it doesnt explain the NRJFA position. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Kilbowie Benches said: The vote was for the Juniors to join the pyramid.That is what will happen. It doesn’t suit Donald Trump and his EoS mates that there was no timescale given or a mandate that every region must go in at the same time. Think you are getting that backwards. The only party that really cares about the timeline on entry being 2019-20 is the SJFA who provided a mandate to TJ at their last AGM to pursue entry as a complete association with the three superleagues all entering at tier 6. It actually very much suits the agenda of the EoS for there to be no fixed timeline and for it to happen one region at a time, because they are the ones that most want the west to be treated differently from the east as they want to still be the only tier 6 feeder in the east south of the Tay. Option B on ERSJFA reconstruction would be a spectacular own goal in terms of them getting in at tier 6, because if they can't sustain a superleague across the entire east region it's reasonable for other groups on the PWG like the EoS to insist that they belong at a lower tier. Option A is only marginally more sensible for their negotiating posture because in a similar manner to option B it caters to a split at the Tay making it considerably easier for other parties like the EoS and LL to insist that the north section of the ERSJFA has to feed into the HL. Edited March 10, 2019 by LongTimeLurker 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 PWG meeting tomorrow.So this meeting will confirm the tier 6 on behalf of all parties, play off arrangements and resolve all the issues allowing for a seamless transfer for the west/east for next year? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilbowie Benches Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Burnie_man said: 35 minutes ago, Kilbowie Benches said: The vote was for the Juniors to join the pyramid.That is what will happen. It doesn’t suit Donald Trump and his EoS mates that there was no timescale given or a mandate that every region must go in at the same time. I know facts don't sit well with your narrative but try and reply like an adult. It helps the debate. Ok then,show me where it states that all regions must join at the same time from this summers meeting? When was the last AGM that you attended? You come out with stuff like “as far as I am aware” wtf? .Of course TJ isn’t going to tell members to leave and join the EoSL that is just plain stupid and has nothing to do with all the regions going in at the same time. Edited March 10, 2019 by Kilbowie Benches 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted March 10, 2019 Author Share Posted March 10, 2019 You're struggling now. I have posted extracts of AGM minutes where it is quite clear. If that mandate has changed recently then feel free to show that to the forum.The fact is, it hasn't because upto this point there has been no need. The SJFA weren't interested up until 9 months ago, and then at that point they thought they could go in at tier 6 as an existing structure.Even the infamous Maxell email from October makes no mention of only certain regions entering. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilbowie Benches Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Burnie_man said: You're struggling now. I have posted extracts of AGM minutes where it is quite clear. If that mandate has changed recently then feel free to show that to the forum. The fact is, it hasn't because upto this point there has been no need. The SJFA weren't interested up until 9 months ago, and then at that point they thought they could go in at tier 6 as an existing structure. Even the infamous Maxell email from October makes no mention of only certain regions entering. Published minutes from 10 years ago You're the one with all the facts apparently? Thr famous Maxwell e mail states that the North will be negotiated seperatley so once again you’re talking pish. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted March 10, 2019 Author Share Posted March 10, 2019 Published minutes from 10 years ago [emoji38] You're the one with all the facts apparently? Thr famous Maxwell e mail states that the North will be negotiated seperatley so once again you’re talking pish.It said negotiations were ongoing, and it was October. It didn't mention some Junior regions were entering seperately 9 months down the line.Nothing has changed from those SJFA minutes, if it has then show us. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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