Bestsinceslicebread Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, cmontheloknow said: Pollok's pitch would only stop them gaining bronze I think (and we're not alone in having a small surface, below 110 x 70 yds). Lights though something else, also general facilities. I'm sure there are many teams that have small pitches but don't think there is any clarity or any 'one stop' place to know who has the correct pitch size and facilities to become full members. There may also be teams who have the correct facilities etc... but the fans might not want them to join if based on a vote and I'm sure there are a few teams who don't have the correct facilities where most, committee and fans alike want to join the pyramid system. Yeah floodlights a big problem for Pollok as they would have to apply and there are tons of flats adjacent to the pitch where some tenants possibly won't want the floodlights in front of them Edited March 4, 2019 by Bestsinceslicebread 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 48 minutes ago, Bestsinceslicebread said: Anyone know officially which junior clubs in the 3 regions, 'West', 'East' and 'North' are known NOT to have the correct facilities to become a member club ? I know Clydebank are laying a new bigger footballing surface and floodlights and should be ready by April I don't know personally. Of the 32 in the North the majority are meant to struggle. Think it's similar with the 36 in the East. When Cumnock were announced as applying I had a quick look through http://nonleaguescotland.org.uk/ to see who in the West might the club that had applied privately. In terms of licensing criteria the website only covers 'Floodlights' and 'Cover' which are factors in gaining membership. Of the 63 there was close to 20 that had both. Although the majority of them were in League One and League Two. I'm not sure how many of the lower league West teams would jump to form a WoS if the bigger clubs opted to remain outwith the pyramid. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted March 4, 2019 Author Share Posted March 4, 2019 Surely all west clubs would move as a block, are there really a significant number who don't want anything to do with the pyramid? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talbot 1978 Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 Surely all west clubs would move as a block, are there really a significant number who don't want anything to do with the pyramid?Jeezo you're on this thread too asking the same dam questions. Is there no stopping you on this madness lol. BM honestly take a break from p&b. This crusade of yours is pure mental [emoji16] [emoji107] -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Bestsinceslicebread said: Anyone know officially which junior clubs in the 3 regions, 'West', 'East' and 'North' are known NOT to have the correct facilities to become a member club ? I know Clydebank are laying a new bigger footballing surface and floodlights and should be ready by April Using http://nonleaguescotland.org.uk/ taking those with cover and floodlights you get 31 clubs. Not all those would have cover for a 100 or the correct lux for their floodlights. Plus licensing is about more than just the ground and those two criteria. So the number would be less than 31 clubs could become SFA member clubs at the minute. North Region Aberdeen University Banks O'Dee Burghead Thistle Deveronside Fraserburgh United Longside Montrose Roselea East Region Arbroath Victoria Armadale Thistle Bathgate Thistle Brechin Victoria Coupar Angus Downfield Dundee North End Kennoway Star Hearts Kirriemuir Thistle Livingston United West Region Ardrossan Winton Rovers Ashfield Carluke Rovers Clydebank Cumnock Greenock Maryhill Neilston Petershill Port Glasgow Renfrew Rutherglen Glencairn Shotts Bon Accord Whitletts Victoria 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santheman Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 20 minutes ago, Burnie_man said: Surely all west clubs would move as a block, are there really a significant number who don't want anything to do with the pyramid? More than you would imagine 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted March 4, 2019 Author Share Posted March 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, santheman said: More than you would imagine Wow, I thought the vast majority of clubs voted in favour of moving. What's changed? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted March 4, 2019 Author Share Posted March 4, 2019 6 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said: East Region Arbroath Victoria Armadale Thistle Bathgate Thistle Brechin Victoria Coupar Angus Downfield Dundee North End Kennoway Star Hearts Kirriemuir Thistle Livingston United Bathgate have lights but Armadale and Livingston dont, I dont think any of the rest do either. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmontheloknow Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bestsinceslicebread said: I'm sure there are many teams that have small pitches but don't think there is any clarity or any 'one stop' place to know who has the correct pitch size and facilities to become full members. It's spelled out in black and white in the licencing manual, albeit in metres. Bronze is 104 x 65 yds. Lok is 102 x 64 yds. We meet Entry though, on pitch at least. Edited March 4, 2019 by cmontheloknow 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillonearth Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Burnie_man said: Bathgate have lights but Armadale and Livingston dont, I dont think any of the rest do either. Out of that lot a few have training lights - certainly not sufficient for a competitive game - but there are some in the list where there's nothing at all lighting-wise. I'm not even sure Coupar Angus have a team at the moment, far less floodlights. ETA - I stand corrected...they do have training lights down one side of the park - no way you could play a game under them though. Edited March 4, 2019 by Hillonearth 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclizine Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 44 minutes ago, Talbot 1978 said: Jeezo you're on this thread too asking the same dam questions. Is there no stopping you on this madness lol. BM honestly take a break from p&b. This crusade of yours is pure mental Pot kettle, mate 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 22 minutes ago, Burnie_man said: Bathgate have lights but Armadale and Livingston dont, I dont think any of the rest do either. Found out during the summer looking at the EoS for floodlights that it's not the most accurate source, but i'm not aware of a better alternative. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santheman Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 27 minutes ago, Burnie_man said: Wow, I thought the vast majority of clubs voted in favour of moving. What's changed? I'll tell you if you tell me why you dislike TJ so much Deal?? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted March 4, 2019 Author Share Posted March 4, 2019 I'll tell you if you tell me why you dislike TJ so much Deal??[emoji23] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talbot 1978 Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 Pot kettle, mateLove it when the elite come out to defend their own. [emoji23] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclizine Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 Just now, Talbot 1978 said: Love it when the elite come out to defend their own. What does that even mean, my good man? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNU_Linux Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 What does that even mean, my good man?^^^^ part of the pyramid illuminati imo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthurlie1981 Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 Only looking from the outside in, as I deal with youth coaching part of a junior team in the west but I find it very interesting. I'm lead to believe from rumours and hearsay only, it seems like many junior teams, especially in the 'West' are unsure so waiting to see what is happening. If Cumnock has applied then good for them and hope everything they have in place fits the criteria set down by the SFA to become a member club. I'm sure there is many swithering including Clydebank whom I feel its only time once they jump. Teams like Pollok, I believe won't jump due to the lack of facitlies that the SFA require to become a member club, the size of the park is too small and no floodlights etc... If half of the west junior clubs jumped, wonder if there would be just a WEST league equivalent to the South league and the East of Scotland league. Personally, it would be great if the four west divisions would stay the way they are and become part of the pyramid system and the top division would be the equivalent of the south and east leagues. Anyone know officially which junior clubs in the 3 regions, 'West', 'East' and 'North' are known NOT to have the correct facilities to become a member club ? I know Clydebank are laying a new bigger footballing surface and floodlights and should be ready by April The issue is that there is no league in the west other than the south of Scotland for teams to move to. I don’t see Glasgow based clubs moving to the south when, as Clydebank have found out, you will struggle to put competitive teams on the park with that much travelling. If there was an alternative west of Scotland league then I would think we would see 10 to 15 clubs heading their already but we have to wait to see what announcement comes out hopefully after the next meeting of the PWG. West region clubs have to trust TJ at the moment and have been given no reason to doubt that they will be in the pyramid next season. If that changes then you may see a new league being created but nothing has come out that will have made them change their mind. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 1 minute ago, Arthurlie1981 said: The issue is that there is no league in the west other than the south of Scotland for teams to move to. I don’t see Glasgow based clubs moving to the south when, as Clydebank have found out, you will struggle to put competitive teams on the park with that much travelling. If there was an alternative west of Scotland league then I would think we would see 10 to 15 clubs heading their already but we have to wait to see what announcement comes out hopefully after the next meeting of the PWG. West region clubs have to trust TJ at the moment and have been given no reason to doubt that they will be in the pyramid next season. If that changes then you may see a new league being created but nothing has come out that will have made them change their mind. The South of Scotland is at 16 clubs now and one of those is Bonnyton Thistle. Say you did get 10-15 clubs to apply to the SoS you could probably split into regional divisions at the same level. Have the west clubs use the SoS infrastructure for a year or two. Then spin off into a proper WoSL or give the Lowland League a chance to create Lowland League 2 West. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talbot 1978 Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 The issue is that there is no league in the west other than the south of Scotland for teams to move to. I don’t see Glasgow based clubs moving to the south when, as Clydebank have found out, you will struggle to put competitive teams on the park with that much travelling. If there was an alternative west of Scotland league then I would think we would see 10 to 15 clubs heading their already but we have to wait to see what announcement comes out hopefully after the next meeting of the PWG. West region clubs have to trust TJ at the moment and have been given no reason to doubt that they will be in the pyramid next season. If that changes then you may see a new league being created but nothing has come out that will have made them change their mind. Hit the nail on the head Arthurlie, but trying to get your point of view across on a forum where Burnieman monitors it night and day it can get lost on his drolling on and other posters dont get to see decent posts. A true valid point and let's wait and see what the up coming meetings bring to the table. [emoji106] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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