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Eyemouth have a strong heritage which should not be forgotten at this difficult time:

Honours

  • East of Scotland League Champions: 1954–55, 1955–56, 1956–57, 1970–71
  • Scottish Qualifying Cup South Winners: 1952–53, 1958–59, 1959–60
  • East of Scotland (City) Cup: 1950–51, 1957–58
  • East of Scotland Qualifying Cup: 1953–54, 1955–56, 1956–57, 1958–59, 1971–72
  • King Cup: 1958–59
  • Scottish Border Counties FA Challenge Cup: 1954–55
  • South Supplementary Cup: 1954–55

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eyemouth_United_F.C.



?         Joined East Of Scotland League
1987-88   East Of Scotland League Division One runner-up
          Promoted to Premier Division
1990      Relegated to Division One
1990-91   Missed runner-up spot on goal difference
2018-19   Placed in Conference B

SEASON    LEAGUE     P    W    D    L    F    A    P      POS

1983-84   E SCOT    30    9    6   15   51   59   24     11/16
1984-85   E SCOT    28    3    3   22   30  104    9     15/15
1985-86   E SCOT    28    7    9   12   56   71   23      9/15
1986-87   E SCOT    34   10    6   18   57   68   26     13/18
1987-88   E SCOT-1  18   11    3    4   46   22   25      2/10
1988-89   E SCOT-P  18    9    2    7   35   43   20      4/10
1989-90   E SCOT-P  18    3    3   12   18   36    9     10/10
1990-91   E SCOT-1  18    9    6    3   37   26   24      3/10
1991-92   E SCOT-1  20    5    2   13   26   56   12      9/11
1992-93   E SCOT-1  18    1    3   14   25   63    5     10/10
1993-94   E SCOT-1  18    1    4   13   16   51    9     10/10
1994-95   E SCOT-1  20    4    5   11   28   43   13     11/11
1995-96   E SCOT-1  22    8    3   11   40   55   27      8/12
1996-97   E SCOT-1  22    1    6   15   30   63    6 *   11/12
1997-98   E SCOT-1  22    2    2   18   18   64    8     12/12
1998-99   E SCOT-1  24    2    5   17   26   74   11     13/13
1999-00   E SCOT-1  20    8    3    9   27   44   27      6/11
2000-01   E SCOT-1  20    8    3    9   30   47   27      7/11
2001-02   E SCOT-1  22   11    2    9   40   39   35      6/12
2002-03   E SCOT-1  22    1    4   17   22   83    7     12/12
2003-04   E SCOT-1  22    2    3   17   21   79    9     12/12
2004-05   E SCOT-1  22    0    2   20    9   88   -1 *   12/12
2005-06   E SCOT-1  20    7    3   10   34   37   24      8/11
2006-07   E SCOT-1  20    7    2   11   28   59   23      9/11
2007-08   E SCOT-1  22    7    2   13   28   56   20      9/12
2008-09   E SCOT-1  22    5    2   15   33   47   17     10/12
2009-10   E SCOT-1  22    4    7   11   37   51   19     10/12
2010-11   E SCOT-1  22   12    4    6   62   49   40      3/12
2011-12   E SCOT-1  24   14    5    5   63   42   47      4/13
2012-13   E SCOT-1  26   15    3    8   70   59   48      5/14
2013-14   E SCOT-1  18    4    3   11   31   53   15     10/10
2014-15   E SCOT-1  28    7    0   21   46   90   21      6/8
2015-16   E SCOT    28    5    2   21   39  115   11 *   15/15
2016-17   E SCOT    20    7    2   11   34   53   23      7/11
2017-18   E SCOT    24    6    0   18   44  114   18     11/13
2018-19   E SCOT-CB

SCOTTISH CUP

1951-52   1     EAST FIFE                           H    0-4
1952-53   1     CELTIC                              H    0-4
1954-55   1     BUCKIE THISTLE                      H    2-3
1955-56   1     BRORA RANGERS                       H    5-1
          2     PEEBLES ROVERS                      A    3-4
1956-57   1     BURNTISLAND SHIPYARD                H    3-2
          2     DUNS                                H    3-1
          3     NAIRN COUNTY                        H    0-3
1957-58   1     STRANRAER                           A    2-6
1958-59   1     STENHOUSEMUIR                       A    2-5
1959-60   2     ALBION ROVERS                       H    1-0
          3     COWDENBEATH                         H    3-0
          QF    KILMARNOCK                          H    1-2
1961-62   1     MONTROSE                            H    1-3
1962-63   1     RAITH ROVERS                        A    0-2
1963-64   1     CELTIC                              A    0-3

 

http://fchd.info/EYEMOUTU.HTM

 

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Or we should all simply begin to utilise one extreme example of either success or struggle to try and make a point, without acknowledging that it isnt the norm for what we are trying to discuss...... 8-)

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5 hours ago, AlanCamelonfan said:

That's hI'll of Beath Dundonald st andrews and oakley.  Inverkeithing and burnt island weren't juniors so probably not interest in juniors 

No chance of Burntisland joining the juniors. They have a pedigree which dates back to  participation in the Scottish Cup dating in 1929. They also jumped from Fife amateur to the EoS without any intention of going junior.

Of more significant interest is how many  clubs will be awarded an SFA  licence next week, and who are they ?  Also what changes will be needed to the Preliminary Rounds of the Scottish Cup ?

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1 minute ago, Robert James said:

No chance of Burntisland joining the juniors. They have a pedigree which dates back to  participation in the Scottish Cup dating in 1929. They also jumped from Fife amateur to the EoS without any intention of going junior.

Of more significant interest is how many  clubs will be awarded an SFA  licence next week, and who are they ?  Also what changes will be needed to the Preliminary Rounds of the Scottish Cup ?

People assume more teams means more rounds but could just be more ties 

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10 minutes ago, Robert James said:

 Also what changes will be needed to the Preliminary Rounds of the Scottish Cup ?

They had 2 Preliminary Rounds this year to find 6 spots in the First Round proper. 19 clubs participated in the Preliminary Rounds so there will have to be a rejig if it comes close to the double digit membership increase that people speculate could happen.

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2 hours ago, Pyramidic said:

Eyemouth have a strong heritage which should not be forgotten at this difficult time:

Honours

  • East of Scotland League Champions: 1954–55, 1955–56, 1956–57, 1970–71
  • Scottish Qualifying Cup South Winners: 1952–53, 1958–59, 1959–60
  • East of Scotland (City) Cup: 1950–51, 1957–58
  • East of Scotland Qualifying Cup: 1953–54, 1955–56, 1956–57, 1958–59, 1971–72
  • King Cup: 1958–59
  • Scottish Border Counties FA Challenge Cup: 1954–55
  • South Supplementary Cup: 1954–55

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eyemouth_United_F.C.


?         Joined East Of Scotland League
1987-88   East Of Scotland League Division One runner-up
          Promoted to Premier Division
1990      Relegated to Division One
1990-91   Missed runner-up spot on goal difference
2018-19   Placed in Conference B

SEASON    LEAGUE     P    W    D    L    F    A    P      POS

1983-84   E SCOT    30    9    6   15   51   59   24     11/16
1984-85   E SCOT    28    3    3   22   30  104    9     15/15
1985-86   E SCOT    28    7    9   12   56   71   23      9/15
1986-87   E SCOT    34   10    6   18   57   68   26     13/18
1987-88   E SCOT-1  18   11    3    4   46   22   25      2/10
1988-89   E SCOT-P  18    9    2    7   35   43   20      4/10
1989-90   E SCOT-P  18    3    3   12   18   36    9     10/10
1990-91   E SCOT-1  18    9    6    3   37   26   24      3/10
1991-92   E SCOT-1  20    5    2   13   26   56   12      9/11
1992-93   E SCOT-1  18    1    3   14   25   63    5     10/10
1993-94   E SCOT-1  18    1    4   13   16   51    9     10/10
1994-95   E SCOT-1  20    4    5   11   28   43   13     11/11
1995-96   E SCOT-1  22    8    3   11   40   55   27      8/12
1996-97   E SCOT-1  22    1    6   15   30   63    6 *   11/12
1997-98   E SCOT-1  22    2    2   18   18   64    8     12/12
1998-99   E SCOT-1  24    2    5   17   26   74   11     13/13
1999-00   E SCOT-1  20    8    3    9   27   44   27      6/11
2000-01   E SCOT-1  20    8    3    9   30   47   27      7/11
2001-02   E SCOT-1  22   11    2    9   40   39   35      6/12
2002-03   E SCOT-1  22    1    4   17   22   83    7     12/12
2003-04   E SCOT-1  22    2    3   17   21   79    9     12/12
2004-05   E SCOT-1  22    0    2   20    9   88   -1 *   12/12
2005-06   E SCOT-1  20    7    3   10   34   37   24      8/11
2006-07   E SCOT-1  20    7    2   11   28   59   23      9/11
2007-08   E SCOT-1  22    7    2   13   28   56   20      9/12
2008-09   E SCOT-1  22    5    2   15   33   47   17     10/12
2009-10   E SCOT-1  22    4    7   11   37   51   19     10/12
2010-11   E SCOT-1  22   12    4    6   62   49   40      3/12
2011-12   E SCOT-1  24   14    5    5   63   42   47      4/13
2012-13   E SCOT-1  26   15    3    8   70   59   48      5/14
2013-14   E SCOT-1  18    4    3   11   31   53   15     10/10
2014-15   E SCOT-1  28    7    0   21   46   90   21      6/8
2015-16   E SCOT    28    5    2   21   39  115   11 *   15/15
2016-17   E SCOT    20    7    2   11   34   53   23      7/11
2017-18   E SCOT    24    6    0   18   44  114   18     11/13
2018-19   E SCOT-CB

SCOTTISH CUP


1951-52   1     EAST FIFE                           H    0-4
1952-53   1     CELTIC                              H    0-4
1954-55   1     BUCKIE THISTLE                      H    2-3
1955-56   1     BRORA RANGERS                       H    5-1
          2     PEEBLES ROVERS                      A    3-4
1956-57   1     BURNTISLAND SHIPYARD                H    3-2
          2     DUNS                                H    3-1
          3     NAIRN COUNTY                        H    0-3
1957-58   1     STRANRAER                           A    2-6
1958-59   1     STENHOUSEMUIR                       A    2-5
1959-60   2     ALBION ROVERS                       H    1-0
          3     COWDENBEATH                         H    3-0
          QF    KILMARNOCK                          H    1-2
1961-62   1     MONTROSE                            H    1-3
1962-63   1     RAITH ROVERS                        A    0-2
1963-64   1     CELTIC                              A    0-3

 

http://fchd.info/EYEMOUTU.HTM

 

I thought they won the EOS championship in 1953/54 also.

 

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4 hours ago, Kilbowie Benches said:

Or stop calling other clubs pub teams...

My point exactly......... I wouldn't support calling anyone or club anything, no matter what side of the argument you sit on.... Hence my original post..... Using extreme examples doesn't strengthen any argument, regardless of the narrative you choose to use. 

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9 hours ago, Burnie_man said:

North Super (10)

Broughty, Carnoustie, Downfield, Dundee NE, Forfar WE, Kirrie, Lochee, Luncarty, Scone, Tayport

North Premier (9)

Arbroath Vics, Blairgowrie, Brechin Vics, Coupar Angus, East Craigie, Violet, Forfar Albion, Kinnoull, Lochee Harp

South Super (10)

Armadale, Bathgate, Fauldhouse, Glenrothes, Harthill, Kennoway, Livingston, Pumpherston, Thornton, Whitburn

South Premier (9)

Kirkcaldy, Lochgelly, Lochore, Newburgh, Rosyth, Stoneyburn, West Calder, Pub team 1, Pub team 2

I believe the other options are 2 x 18, or no change at all.

9 and 10 team leagues for eternity.........

Back to the point.

For this to be workable, the "Super" leagues would need to play each other either 3 times (27 games), or 4 times (36 games), and presumably the Champions decided by a play-off.

The "Premier" leagues would be 3 times (24 games) or 4 times (32 games).

It looks absolutely tedious. As gogsy pointed out, local games dont automatically mean bigger crowds, fans want something to aim for, something different. The clubs in the South "Super" will never play Linlithgow, Bo'ness, Camelon, Broxburn, Bonnyrigg, Nitten, Musselburgh or Penicuik ever again if they stick with this, it'll be the same teams season after season after season.

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