AlanCamelonfan Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 Just now, Kilbowie Benches said: Why are you so bothered? You’re not in it! Because it affects us if we have a rival league that shouldn't be their or if they are staying as are I'd like there teams to join us in eosfl 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason King Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 42 minutes ago, Vollyman said: This nonsense of travel will be put to bed in the coming fortnight when the ERJFA announce their proposals and applicants for membership which will surprise some people Do you mean the league setup will surprise people or that the applicants will surprise people or both? We've already been told that the leagues look like going regional next season so that wont be a shock. And if you think the former East Junior Superleague team that are having a torrid time on and especially off the park moving back to the East Juniors will surprise people then you are mistaken. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shuggie123 Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, Jason King said: Do you mean the league setup will surprise people or that the applicants will surprise people or both? We've already been told that the leagues look like going regional next season so that wont be a shock. And if you think the former East Junior Superleague team that are having a torrid time on and especially off the park moving back to the East Juniors will surprise people then you are mistaken. What team? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanCamelonfan Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 9 minutes ago, shuggie123 said: What team? Only super league team outwith top 5 are sauchie 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shuggie123 Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, AlanCamelonfan said: Only super league team outwith top 5 are sauchie They finished 13th in East Juniors Superleague last season and are currently 8th in conference B. That doesn't seem to me like they are doing too badly? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilbowie Benches Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 43 minutes ago, AlanCamelonfan said: Because it affects us if we have a rival league that shouldn't be their or if they are staying as are I'd like there teams to join us in eosfl But they aren’t going to be a rival league according to you so why bother? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shuggie123 Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 Just now, gogsy said: ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cameron Wilson Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 2 hours ago, Jason King said: Do you mean the league setup will surprise people or that the applicants will surprise people or both? We've already been told that the leagues look like going regional next season so that wont be a shock. And if you think the former East Junior Superleague team that are having a torrid time on and especially off the park moving back to the East Juniors will surprise people then you are mistaken. Would surprise me if anyone moved back. What's the point? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz5 Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 Would surprise me if anyone moved back. What's the point?Agreed.I can't for the life of me see any reason why any of the clubs would "move back". The EoS has been a far better setup for everyone involved and promises to continue to be going forward.If, for speculation sake, Sauchie have applied, I'd also doubt it was anything to do with on park form in the EoS. They lost their manager before the move to EoS for non football reasons, he was going either way, lost a lot of their key players (Morgan and Syme most notably) who were going anyway and in all likelihood they would have struggled in the East Juniors this season anyway had they stayed. It was always going to be a transition season for them regardless of EoS and in many ways, given the volume of player change, I actually think the new manager has done pretty well in the toughest of the 3 conferences by some margin, getting some good results. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginaro Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, gogsy said: Ok that was maybe a bit harsh but they are below the likes of Crossgates, Dalkeith and Tranent who would have comfortably below them in recent years and LTHV who have been absolute dug meat compared to recent seasons. They have only one out of their last nine league games, when they came back from 2-0 down to beat Dundonald Bluebell. Still wouldn't rule them out of a top 5 position though, possibly depends on how Tranent react to losing their management team. Sauchie's remaining games are against all of the teams below them plus LTHV, Tranent and Bo'ness, which should be a slightly easier than their other challengers for the top 5/best 6th. Not sure what they would gain from going back to the Juniors - lower crowds, no chance to play against the teams closest to them, and surely they would be playing in the Premier South division if there was no changes to the league structure? Even if they missed out on the EOS Premier, the EOS First Division North or Conferences would be better than moving back... Edited February 3, 2019 by Ginaro 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wires Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 The future of junior football is Arthurlie. Kind Regards Wires 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superbigal Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 What is the south of Scotland's official geographical territory ?In the event of juniors joining pyramid. Would the west juniors not encroach it just like the east juniors with the eos ? Also have some teams not both been in the sos and eos over the years?That suggests overlapping already a precedent. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNU_Linux Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 What is the south of Scotland's official geographical territory ?Would the west juniors not encroach it just like the east juniors with the eos ?Nothing official but pretty much all members have been from Dumfries & Galloway with the current exception of Bonnyton from Kilmarnock who joined as it was the closest league within the pyramid. Other outliers are Girvan (51-62 & 75-04) which is 30 miles from Stranraer. Edusport played their first season in the SOS out of Hamilton but then moved to Galabank. Kilmarnock & Ayr ran 2nd xi's in the late 40's. One club from D&G Kello Rovers play in the west juniors & have since the old D&G junior league died in the 50s. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 11 minutes ago, superbigal said: What is the south of Scotland's official geographical territory ? In the event of juniors joining pyramid. Would the west juniors not encroach it just like the east juniors with the eos ? Also have some teams not both been in the sos and eos over the years? That suggests overlapping already a precedent. Dalbeattie Star and Threave Rovers played in the EOS for a spell but returned their first teams to the SOS before the Lowland League was created. Annan Athletic and Gretna 2008 were also two teams you'd consider SOS area clubs, but Annan obviously moved onto the SFL. Gretna 2008 ended up being formed to late (or the SOS had some doubts) and managed to get into the EOS for 2008/09. Since the creation of the Lowland League and the pyramid concept, there has been no overlapping. Creating a certain dispensation for Bonnyton Thistle and Kello Rovers is one thing. "Hey, look Berwick Rangers are in England!" Doing it for the 70 odd members of the EoS and East Region is another. Especially with 16 falling North of the HL/LL boundary. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superbigal Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 Nevertheless it means the eos stance on geography is not 100% bombproof. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillonearth Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 1 minute ago, GNU_Linux said: Nothing official but pretty much all members have been from Dumfries & Galloway with the current exception of Bonnyton from Kilmarnock who joined as it was the closest league within the pyramid. Other outliers are Girvan (51-62 & 75-04) which is 30 miles from Stranraer. Edusport played their first season in the SOS out of Hamilton but then moved to Galabank. Kilmarnock & Ayr ran 2nd xi's in the late 40's. One club from D&G Kello Rovers play in the west juniors & have since the old D&G junior league died in the 50s. Yeah, the old Southern Counties league had some sides from Ayrshire in it, but since the league reformed and renamed to briefly accommodate Ayr and Killie's second string sides post-WW2 it's never really had any pretensions of covering anything other than D&G, a couple of outliers (Girvan and Bonnyton) and a side with no real definitive home base (Edusport) aside. It would be a stretch to claim it covered anything other than the area between Stranraer and Annan though...historically it certainly hasn't. A few sides did switch to the EoS mainly for reasons of strength of competition - Annan till they joined the SPFL and also Threave/Dalbeattie for a few seasons before returning to the SoS. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNU_Linux Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 Nevertheless it means the eos stance on geography is not 100% bombproof.Theres a difference between a handful of outlier clubs & another league slotting in despite that area already having an established pathway to the LL. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 7 minutes ago, superbigal said: Nevertheless it means the eos stance on geography is not 100% bombproof. The only fixed boundary in Scottish football is the one between the Highland and Lowland League. So it is 100% bombproof. It's also seems to be the only issue the East Region has as well since there's some suggestion of splitting into 18 team divisions North and South. They're are some quite happy to form a Tayside League/Division but only one that feeds into the Lowland League. In which case the issue is with the SPFL, Highland League, Lowland League and SFA as they formed that boundary not the EoS. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted February 3, 2019 Author Share Posted February 3, 2019 (edited) 27 minutes ago, superbigal said: Nevertheless it means the eos stance on geography is not 100% bombproof. It is. There are no senior leagues that encroach on the same area at the same level in the Pyramid. That's before even mentioning HL/LL line. The SoS doesn't encroach on the EoS, and any future WoS/WRJFA won't encroach on either of them. There wont be a divide down the middle of the areas they cover unlike EoS/ERJFA, Fife being the obvious example being split 9 clubs v 7, and West Lothian/Falkirk, 9 clubs v 5. I'm sure you'll agree it makes absolutely no sense to encourage this divide instead of seeking a resolution to it. Edited February 3, 2019 by Burnie_man 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert James Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 Next season ex-junior clubs playing in the EoS, will benefit considerably because :- * one or two of them will be playing in the Lowland League at Tier 5 in 2019/20 * up to a dozen additional EoS clubs will have been awarded an SFA Licence, giving them on-going entry into the Scottish Cup * the new EoS Premier Division (Tier 6) will be more competitive in 2019/20, than the 3 Conferences have been this season (essential as they are as an interim arrangement) * some current ERJFA clubs will probably have moved to the EoS for 2019/20 * EoS Tier 7 Divisions may well be organised horizontally on a geographical basis, rather than having vertical Tiers 7 & 8 etc * traditional local derbies will increase attendances and enhance sponsorship opportunities * additional clubs can participate in the EoS/Lowland Under 20s competition, if they wish to do so * "pyramid" clubs without an SFA licence, can work towards obtaining one in the future, should they decide to do so (on a voluntary basis). I am looking forward to 2019/20. Are you ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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