Junior football, what is the future?

[drs]

1 minute ago, cmontheloknow said:

Fixture lists are done by regional leagues anyway and what name they choose to give themselves is surely neither here nor there.

"Junior" fixture lists next season (east and west) will require to ensure they have a champion to enter the LL playoff at the same time as the SoS and EoS ergo the "Juniors" will be working to the Senior calendar.

The Juniors are gone come next August, that the likes of Locheeboy cant actually recognise this is frightening.

[Burnie_man]

1 minute ago, locheeboy said:

That is no draft announcement. I will accept your apology whren you discover the EoS are not being truthful

So where has been it announced by the SFA into the public domain? why are there people not very happy at you putting it on here? why is there more than a few people saying it was inaccurate? it's now a month old, there has been a subsequent PWG meeting since it was written, but still no announcement and a further meeting in January.

For you to come out and accuse the EoS of lying is quite something, you keep digging that hole you're in.

[FairWeatherFan]

The yellow highlights are the only bit that really matters in terms of being an email from Ian Maxwell. Everything after is just a draft statement announcing something that hasn't actually happened.

How do you know it's just a draft statement? Stuff like the underlined section mentioning "the most recent Pyramid Working Group" which was referencing a meeting that happened in either September or October, but has since been surpassed by the November 14th meeting.

 

[Ginaro]

15 minutes ago, locheeboy said:

17 minutes ago, drs said:

 

The Juniors are adopting the disciplinary code but will continue to administer their own fixture lists. Please read the email.

Will the East and West Regions be in a position to crown a champion club so that they can take part in the Lowland League play-offs beginning on Saturday 9th May 2020 (if licensed)?

Edited November 27, 2018 by Ginaro

[GNU_Linux]

On 10/30/2018 at 16:28, juniorsforme said:

Just to help clarify matters the minutes from the EoS recent board meeting.

Board Meeting Notes

Date	Thursday 25 October 2018
Time	7.00pm to 9.30pm

SFA membership

SFA Chief Executive Ian Maxwell has informed the League that the embargo on accepting new membership applications has been lifted. Any club that wishes to apply can now do so but should be aware the Club Licensing department contains only two members of staff whose role also covers the existing 90 SFA member clubs. It would therefore help the process if clubs state on their application if they think they already meet the licensing criteria. This would allow applications to be prioritised.

Potential champion clubs should note the SLFL requires clubs to be in possession of an SFA License by 31 March for them to be eligible to take part in any play-off match for entry into the SLFL the following season. As all applications must first be approved by the SFA Board and then by the SFA’s Club Licensing committee it is essential they are submitted as soon as possible to increase the chance of meeting this 31 March deadline.

All clubs should note the SFA Board is continuing to look at membership criteria and benefits and there may be changes suggested at next year’s SFA AGM – for example the format of the preliminary/early rounds of the Scottish Cup and associated distribution model, and introduction of floodlights at entry level are being considered. Some of these changes would be subject to approval by existing members at the SFA AGM and further information will be made available in due course.

Pyramid Working Group

The Board noted the Pyramid Working Group had met on 21 September 2018 and had agreed to the formation of additional tier 6 Leagues in the West and Tayside areas. The Board also noted differing views that had emerged from the PWG and that several EoSFL member clubs had made strong representation against the direct admission of the existing East Junior set-up at tier 6. The Board has therefore agreed to support the formation of separate Leagues in those areas and to emphasise the EoSFL is the recognised tier 6 League covering the Lothians, Borders, Stirlingshire and Fife. The PWG will next meet on 14 November 2018.

Dual registration of SYFA players

The EoSFL continues to seek agreement with the SYFA to allow players to represent their club in both EoSFL and SYFA fixtures and an update will be provided when there is further information.

One consequence of the League’s trialist rule is that it allows a club to field age-level players with SYFA clubs in an unlimited number of League or Qualifying League matches, provided written permission is obtained from their club.

Defibrillators

The League has received a final quote for a bulk purchase of defibrillators. The Scottish Football Partnership has agreed to pay 50% of the cost, with the League contributing another 25%. That leaves a balance of £240 which will need to be paid by each club who received a defibrillator. Kenny McLean will shortly e-mail clubs to get formal commitments to purchase and then place an order.

Investment in long term development of the game in the East of Scotland

Four clubs have now been granted money from the fund set aside by the League for ground improvements that help them gain or maintain an SFA club license. Any club wishing to apply should send a fully-costed, evidenced written application to alistair@wilkielaw.co.uk. Each application will be considered on its merits by a sub-committee and the Board’s decision on whether to make an award for any particular project will be final and binding. Payments will not be made for work already completed. No club may receive more than one payment from the fund. All awards made will be conditional on the club remaining within the EoSFL or being promoted to the SLFL, failing which any money paid will need to be repaid fully on demand.

Pitch inspections

Clubs are reminded to familiarise themselves with League rule 9. A qualified referee is expected to make this decision although if both clubs (and the League) agree a decision can be made by the home club. If a pitch is unplayable the home club must inform their opponents, the referee and the League Secretary not later than 10am on the day of the match, or by 2pm for an evening fixture. A club may only declare a pitch unplayable the day before the fixture date in the event of extreme weather conditions or on the grounds of the health and safety of the players, officials or spectators of both Clubs. The League Secretary, if requested by either the visiting Club or the Board, may appoint a referee to carry out a pitch inspection. The standard fee for a pitch inspection will be £10 plus expenses on the Referees’ tariff and will be divided equally between the two clubs.

Date of next meetings

The next Board meeting will be on Thursday 22 November 2018 and the next General meeting will be in February 2019 at a venue to be confirmed.

Reminders

1.       Defibrillators must be in situ for all matches and ready for use should they be required.

2.       Correspondence must be answered within requested timescales in accordance with League Rule 4. Failure to do so will result in a warning for a first offence followed by a statutory fine.

3.       Goalscorer returns must be submitted to goals@eosfl.com within seven days of the end of each month using the form that has been provided by the League. This is required even when a club has scored no goals during the month.

4.       The SFA’s football administration system must be kept up-to-date on a regular basis as necessary. Failure of clubs to do so will result in a deduction from the funds received by the League from the SFA.

5.       Simon Kinghorn is the Child Protection Officer for both the East of Scotland Football League and East of Scotland Football Association. Should anyone have an issue they wish him to consider he can be contacted on 0781 754 5983.

The minutes I was referring to earlier for clarification/proof.

 

[daleboy1969]

JUNIOR FITBAW STILL THE HOT TOPIC .EVEN WHEN THEY LEAVE THEY CONTINUE TO TROLL THE MASSIVE JUNIOR GAME . EXCELLENT KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK . 

[Burnie_man]

The minutes I was referring to earlier for clarification/proof.

 

The EoS, as well as being the incumbent Senior tier 6/7 league, don't want to see fractured/divided administration of the game in the same geographical area in the Pyramid. It makes absolutely no sense and is very easily resolved, bring the remaining West Lothian and Fife clubs into the EoS and run the game with no artificial barriers. It shouldn't be difficult to achieve.

The feeling amongst the 25 clubs that have already moved over is a positive one, and some officials from the former Junior clubs are already involved in helping run the expanded EoS.

Do that, move the WRJFA into tier 6/7/8/9 to plug that gap, and get the NRJFA/ Tayside feeding the HL. Job done.

At that point, if a LL2 happens, clubs are already in the structure to take advantage.

[Burnie_man]

JUNIOR FITBAW STILL THE HOT TOPIC .EVEN WHEN THEY LEAVE THEY CONTINUE TO TROLL THE MASSIVE JUNIOR GAME . EXCELLENT KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK . 

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[Black Pennel]

3 hours ago, Burnie_man said:

The EoS, as well as being the incumbent Senior tier 6/7 league, don't want to see fractured/divided administration of the game in the same geographical area in the Pyramid. It makes absolutely no sense and is very easily resolved, bring the remaining West Lothian and Fife clubs into the EoS and run the game with no artificial barriers. It shouldn't be difficult to achieve.

The feeling amongst the 25 clubs that have already moved over is a positive one, and some officials from the former Junior clubs are already involved in helping run the expanded EoS.

Do that, move the WRJFA into tier 6/7/8/9 to plug that gap, and get the NRJFA/ Tayside feeding the HL. Job done.

At that point, if a LL2 happens, clubs are already in the structure to take advantage.

What tier have you decided my SoS clubs will be placed at then, oh great one ?

[Black Pennel]

Ah...tier six is it ?...There are only three teams in the current SoS (in the foreseeable future) who could possibly progress up your glorious pyramid.

I don't have that long to wait for it to happen. For the rest of them just about every team down to the current West division 3 would cuff them week after week.

Just admit you moved for the money and be honest about it. (Dunipace excepted)

Edited November 28, 2018 by Black Pennel
Dunipace are so far East they could've played in Belgium.

[superbigal]

Will the East and West Regions be in a position to crown a champion club so that they can take part in the Lowland League play-offs beginning on Saturday 9th May 2020 (if licensed)?

I really can't see that being a problem.

Particularly in the east where there are only 22 league games it will be easy to finish the leagues by then. The west might have it a little tighter or indeed a shorter summer shutdown coming up. They however now have a fixture planner in place who seems to have a brain.

 

 

I would like to know from Larry what discussions the north juniors have actually had as they can't just be left behind. If the Tayside problem is solved by simply having 2 structures in the east running below the lowland league then surely the north pyramid is the simplest of all to sort ?

[cmontheloknow]

3 minutes ago, superbigal said:

I really can't see that being a problem.
Particularly in the east where there are only 22 league games it will be easy to finish the leagues by then. The west might have it a little tighter or indeed a shorter summer shutdown coming up. They however now have a fixture planner in place who seems to have a brain.

Indeed, at this stage of the season, LL have played roughly 13/14 out of 28 while in West Premiership, most teams are up to the 13-15 mark /30, the odd exception due to Junior Cup replays (Pollok) or Scottish Cup runs (Talbot/Beith).

The only real issue is the Talbot example sees them 7 behind a couple of teams already - the price of success though.

Edited November 28, 2018 by cmontheloknow

[Hillonearth]

17 minutes ago, cmontheloknow said:

Indeed, at this stage of the season, LL have played roughly 13/14 out of 28 while in West Premiership, most teams are up to the 13-15 mark /30, the odd exception due to Junior Cup replays (Pollok) or Scottish Cup runs (Talbot/Beith).

The only real issue is the Talbot example sees them 7 behind a couple of teams already - the price of success though.

And everybody would have had at least a few more under their belts and thus fewer to play in a rush at season's end if we hadn't spent the first few midweeks of the season pissing about with the "new" sectional cup rather than binning it altogether...

 

[Burnie_man]

7 hours ago, Black Pennel said:

Ah...tier six is it ?...There are only three teams in the current SoS (in the foreseeable future) who could possibly progress up your glorious pyramid.

I don't have that long to wait for it to happen. For the rest of them just about every team down to the current West division 3 would cuff them week after week.

Just admit you moved for the money and be honest about it. (Dunipace excepted)

Threave Rovers is it? aye ok.  You should therefore be able to tell everyone of your Pyramid expriences. It's more yours than mine, you set up the Lowland League afterall.

[GNU_Linux]

RE: the SOS my preference would be an all in west league covering west junior territory + sos territoy with regionalisation lower down (central/ayrshire split with sos clubs in ayrshire region). It means 2 feeders instead of 3 to LL & cleans up anamolies such as Bonnyton (SOS club in WRJFA territory) & Kello (WRJFA cub in SOS territory). Its unlikely however as SOS clubs wouldnt join a junior led league nor would junior clubs break rank to an SFA led league. Lastly even with regionalisation lower down there'd be travel concerns.

[Vollyman]

Their last appearance was 10 years ago, Armadale never.
Meanwhile, those in the EoS are working to be in it every year. Inspired indeed.

Armadale reached the quarter finals of the Scottish Cup after victories over Clyde, Hibs and Ayr united at volunteer park in 1919-20 season. They lost 2-1 to Kilmarnock who were the eventual winners

[Burnie_man]

1 minute ago, Vollyman said:

Armadale reached the quarter finals of the Scottish Cup after victories over Clyde, Hibs and Ayr united at volunteer park in 1919-20 season. They lost 2-1 to Kilmarnock who were the eventual winners

That wasn't Armadale Thistle, that was Armadale FC and was 99 years ago.  I think Armadale Thistle would like to be Licenced quicker than that.

[Beenzon-Toste]

And everybody would have had at least a few more under their belts and thus fewer to play in a rush at season's end if we hadn't spent the first few midweeks of the season pissing about with the "new" sectional cup rather than binning it altogether...
 

The first thing that needs to be binned is Scottish Junior Cup replays.

[Vollyman]

That wasn't Armadale Thistle, that was Armadale FC and was 99 years ago.  I think Armadale Thistle would like to be Licenced quicker than that.

Oh sorry but you never mentioned Armadale Thistle in your post.[emoji1]

[Burnie_man]

2 minutes ago, Vollyman said:

Oh sorry but you never mentioned Armadale Thistle in your post.

Fair cop........

Hopefully with the work Armadale THISTLE are doing to the Volly you'll be in the Pyramid and going down the Licence route soon. Scottish Cup back in Armadale after a 90-odd years would be something.