heedthebaa Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 4 minutes ago, Stag Nation said: Well, presumably at least half of them are in favour, otherwise those applications couldn't have been accepted. I hope certain teams show their appreciation for this to the lower half teams that said aye then, by only scoring a couple of goals, unlike those kelty twats 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinabear Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 Interesting development if west of Scotland is to be set up for 2018/19. The big west teams will need to apply for that now or be left behind forever. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 (edited) Pleased to see @Khufu2 is on. Would you care to answer this point from Sunday? On 27/05/2018 at 11:16, Dunning1874 said: This has been a common criticism throughout this thread since the flurry of applications to the EoS started. The logic behind it essentially being that as the likes of Blackburn and Dalkeith aren't as good on the park as the likes of Linlithgow or Bo'ness, they had no right to apply to the pyramid ahead of those clubs who are better on the pitch and are therefore trying to pull a fast one by artificially propelling themselves to a higher level ahead of clubs who outperform them on the pitch. What no one making this argument has been able to do is offer an alternative solution to what those clubs were supposed to do in the circumstances. If Blackburn wanted to join the pyramid but larger clubs didn't, were they supposed to just accept remaining in the Juniors, potentially for several years, until Bonnyrigg, Penicuik and every other club bigger than them decided they were ready to go? Basically giving Blackburn no right to decide their own future in the meantime? It's perfectly apparent that some of the bigger clubs are only now going because their hand has been forced. If Blackburn, Dalkeith and the rest hadn't applied to go for next season then Linlithgow and Bo'ness wouldn't be considering going for next season. Far from the smaller clubs stealing a march on bigger clubs by applying, they've been the catalyst for the bigger clubs to move. If they hadn't done so they'd still be sitting twiddling their thumbs in an organisation they didn't want to be part of, still getting no progress on fixtures, licensing and Scottish Cup access. What else were they supposed to do? Edited May 29, 2018 by Dunning1874 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 1 minute ago, edinabear said: Interesting development if west of Scotland is to be set up for 2018/19. The big west teams will need to apply for that now or be left behind forever. Looked back and the Lowland League didn't announce who'd been successful in applying until 17th June 213 ahead of their first season. With all the gossip over clubs talking, the EoS offering a hand in the admin start up and the concept rearing its head again following the other day's Lowland League AGM where BSC's rep was named Chairman of the Lowland League. There's plenty of time to get something done as far as those inside the SFA Pyramid may be concerned. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert James Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 1 hour ago, Truthteller said: Looks like there will be 39 teams left in the East Region after Broxburn, Dundonald and the wee rose leave. A 14 team top league with a 13 team North and 12 team South division by the look of things for those remaining. A recent EoSL post claims that Dundonald have repeated that they will stay junior for another year. Is this true ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcastle broon Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 34 minutes ago, heedthebaa said: LTHV if any club I would imagine could be severely pissed off, apparently done enough for their license and all you lot show up They had plenty chances to get their arse in gear and get licensed before any of this kicked off though heed. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeek Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 1 hour ago, Truthteller said: Lambs to the slaughter. It's not a few clubs joining in or a merger, its a takeover and soon they will be punted out and cast aside The west 'big' junior clubs could have easily done this too in the SOSFL. Sadly they're content to languish in utter mediocrity as 'the grade' begins to circle the drain. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 4 minutes ago, Jeek said: The west 'big' junior clubs could have easily done this too in the SOSFL. Sadly they're content to languish in utter mediocrity as 'the grade' begins to circle the drain. It was much easier for a bunch of clubs mainly from the Lothian region to join another league with a large number of Lothian teams than it was for teams from Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Renfrewshire and parts of Ayrshire to sign up for a league which almost exclusively consists of teams in Dumfries and Galloway. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 6 minutes ago, Jeek said: The west 'big' junior clubs could have easily done this too in the SOSFL. Sadly they're content to languish in utter mediocrity as 'the grade' begins to circle the drain. Going in to this season it seemed like a more likely scenario for something like this happening. The SoS were due to have 16 teams (Wigtown were a late withdrawal) and the EoS was on 13. A few West of Scotland clubs could of nudged the league into splitting in to north/south divisions and go from there. At the very least it could have seen the West clubs get rejected en masse, showing that the SoS wasn't fit for purpose as a WoS feeder. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeek Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 3 minutes ago, craigkillie said: It was much easier for a bunch of clubs mainly from the Lothian region to join another league with a large number of Lothian teams than it was for teams from Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Renfrewshire and parts of Ayrshire to sign up for a league which almost exclusively consists of teams in Dumfries and Galloway. That's completely true, however it's hardly unsolvable. If the west club forced their hand and a similar scenario to the east happened, I.e. Conferences, it's 8 2 hour drives in a season. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khufu2 Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 17 minutes ago, Dunning1874 said: Pleased to see @Khufu2 is on. Would you care to answer this point from Sunday? Their attempt to steal a march on the rest has indeed been the catalyst for the mass defection. By 2019-20 they'll probably be back in the lower regions from whence they came. A pyramid is undoubtedly a good thing. Whether the shambolic nature of the mad scramble triggered by the clubs you mention was the way to go about it, I'm not so sure. Perhaps they have manufactured a good result from the worst of motives. Maybe the West juniors will show us how to go about the process more sensibly. One can but hope. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert James Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 1 hour ago, heedthebaa said: In all of this I’m a bit unsure why the current Eos clubs have stayed silent. Twitter seems to be the best way of sharing their clubs thoughts, but not a peep out of any of them. A bit fucking late now, but I wonder how many actually want this Well existing EoSL clubs voted in favour of the new interim structure. They may have been quiet, but so have the West Region Junior Clubs regarding the proposed pyramid feeder league........and their AGM is less than 2 weeks away. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archieb Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Robert James said: Well existing EoSL clubs voted in favour of the new interim structure. They may have been quiet, but so have the West Region Junior Clubs regarding the proposed pyramid feeder league........and their AGM is less than 2 weeks away. WRSJFA AGM is not till 27th of June. The SJFA national AGM is on 16th June. Edited May 29, 2018 by archieb 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert James Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 4 minutes ago, archieb said: WRSJFA AGM is not till 27th of June. The SJFA national AGM is on 16th June. Yes I was referring to the SJFA AGM (correction : 2 weeks and 4 days away). I had assumed (wrongly ?) that a proposed West (pyramid) League would be a matter for the SJFA to consider, given developments elsewhere. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 A pyramid is undoubtedly a good thing. Whether the shambolic nature of the mad scramble triggered by the clubs you mention was the way to go about it, I'm not so sure. It was the only option left when those that had the power have deliberately worked against every avenue, clubs have been unable to work within the the junior structure and have rightly got out of it 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The clean living guy Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 4 hours ago, GordonS said: And Airdrie's attendances are shocking for a town that size and a club that used to regularly be in the to division. They should be getting at least what QotS get, and arguably what Hamilton or Falkirk get. Airdrie's attendances have dropped so low due to nearly a decade of dross on the park. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 15 hours ago, GordonS said: Oh, and in general this is a thing that really, really pisses me off. It's possible for someone to have a completely different perspective from you and not be ignorant. This melon farmer gives out more red dots than a plague victim. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 6 hours ago, FairWeatherFan said: Going in to this season it seemed like a more likely scenario for something like this happening. The SoS were due to have 16 teams (Wigtown were a late withdrawal) and the EoS was on 13. A few West of Scotland clubs could of nudged the league into splitting in to north/south divisions and go from there. At the very least it could have seen the West clubs get rejected en masse, showing that the SoS wasn't fit for purpose as a WoS feeder. A wee while ago I tried to figure out a "fair" population/area split for tier 5 or 6 and, if ye included Dumfries and Galloway, Ayrshire and Lanarkshire as South and Inverclyde/Dunbartonshire/Renfrewshire/Greater Glasgow (and Argyll if, say, Oban were to jump up from the ammies) as West it's an even split. Seeing the D&G clubs are happy in their wee pocket of the world and the Ayrshire clubs are scared shitless of travelling further than an hour from their mammy's house that could be a way to sort the mess in the West. If the SoSL was to accept junior clubs from Ayrshire and Lanarkshire and split into conferences, as the East of Scotland league has done, but split them geographically as opposed to seeding them, clubs would get the best of both worlds would they not? Low travel costs/derbies/historical boundaries but with the chance of progression? After a year they could do a SoS Premier league or could just have a three way play off for promotion/overall champion each year. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Hamish Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 Their attempt to steal a march on the rest has indeed been the catalyst for the mass defection. By 2019-20 they'll probably be back in the lower regions from whence they came. A pyramid is undoubtedly a good thing. Whether the shambolic nature of the mad scramble triggered by the clubs you mention was the way to go about it, I'm not so sure. Perhaps they have manufactured a good result from the worst of motives. Maybe the West juniors will show us how to go about the process more sensibly. One can but hope. Mediocre Isa? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Hamish Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 Lambs to the slaughter. It's not a few clubs joining in or a merger, its a takeover and soon they will be punted out and cast aside Is there any post you make where you dinnae talk shite [emoji23] 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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