Junior football, what is the future?

[Goalie Hamish]

Burnie yer wrang, I think yer man smells of pigeons fae the weege ????

[cmontheloknow]

17 minutes ago, Khufu2 said:

...go on ....

Clubs considering a defection to EoS need accurate information from the SJFA. They need it now. TJ is making a play to keep them on board. Stating in that email '18-19' is careless in the context of the current climate.  Yes, everyone makes mistakes but I don't know how relevant that is here. That mistake misleads these clubs on a key issue.

[HTG]

1 hour ago, Khufu2 said:

What utter nonsense. How can you draw that conclusion from what I posted? You really do inhabit Fantasy Island.

The facts are:

Blackburn United is a member of the SJFA.

It is currently participating in SJFA competitions

Applying to join the EOS does not mean you have been accepted.

The last two teams to be processed for licensing are LTHV and HWU, not Blackburn, not Dalkeith.

Under current rules nothing will be done about licensing  your club until a) they have been accepted by EOS, b) the SFA lifts the moratorium on licensing.

I have passed no judgment on whether your team will or will not be accepted by the EOS.

Put your fucking shoe in your mouth and take your head away from the keyboard. You've been told Blackburn and Dalkeith are going forward with their licence applications. Do not argue this any further. 

[drs]

Dunipace confirm they are looking to move East,

Dunipace Football Club - The Future

We would like to formally announce our aspiration to move into the Senior Scottish game for season 2018/19 by applying to both the East of Scotland League and FA.

Our Club Executive Committee went through a process of due dilligence early in 2018 in order to come to this decision, carefully considering the detail available with regards pros and cons of all options open to us. At the end of this process the vote, for the benefit of the future of the entire club, was unanimous. At this time we would like to express our most sincere gratitude to both the SJFA and West Region Juniors for providing the club with a fantastic platform throughout our 130 year history. Our achievements through the generations; from a Scottish Junior Cup win in 1906, to the most recent success in the Evening Times Cup in 1999, via a lifetime membership of the SJFA award for our fondly remembered long term chairman George Hunter: The Junior grade has been a fantastic home for Dunipace FC.

 

We are proud of our Junior history, but for the benefit of the club, the players (from kids through to adults) and the community we serve we have made this decision in order to ensure the club is in the best possible position to grow, improve and thrive for the next 130 years. In early 2018 the Club Executive Committee announced securing over �600,000 of investment for the Denny & Dunipace area to provide a state of the art facility that will become the new home of Dunipace FC (currently more than 250 players and growing at all levels).This has been the culmination of 8 years of hard work from the club and many partners, including: The Scottish Football Association, Falkirk Council, Sportscotland, Falkirk Community Trust, our local elected members; Cllr Paul Garner, Michael Mathieson MSP and John McNally MSP, and our local community.

 We will soon begin work on upgrading the surface, installing floodlights and a perimeter fence and providing new changing facilities that meet all the standards required of the partner organisations. This will mean that for the first time the whole club can have a single base to operate from with a quality surface that will allow ALL teams to train and play games. It will provide a hub of activity for the community with additional plans for an updated club room, enclosure and improved access already well underway. It will allow us to add over 35's, community programs and more, all from our own purpose built facility, all year round.

With the huge amount of effort put in by everyone at the club over the last decade through our Quality Mark commitment we have put in place strong, inclusive and comprehensive supporting policies and procedures. The creation of this facility, aligned with this work, means SFA Licensing which once seemed unattainable is now a realistic goal for the club to work towards. We aim to work towards achieving Entry Level Licensing through 2018/19 with a view to having this in place for season 2019/20, where if successful Dunipace FC would, for the first time in our history, be eligible to participate in the Senior Scottish Cup. Our commitment to Licensing requires a commitment to the Pyramid and was a factor in the decision to make this move.

Another major factor was access to an Under 20 Development league, as run by the East of Scotland league in conjunction with the South and Lowland leagues. Giving kids coming to the end of the community pathway a route into Senior football, via an established development pathway, will be a great addition to the structure at the club. Developing young players through the age groups and seeing them regularly pull on the black and white of the 'Pace First Team is the ambition of everyone connected with the club and this is another tool which will aid in that objective, better serving our local community in the process.

We are working hard to make this a reality for season 2018/19 and hope to have a new and exciting partnership to announce on this front in the coming weeks, subject to the decision on our application by the EoS League and FA. With many other clubs also deciding that this is the right time to apply to become members of the Senior game, it means, if accepted as we hope, we will be moving to a superbly run, competitive league, with great facilities and a number of interesting games that we hope, along with a welcoming and upgraded facility, will peak the interest of the local community.

No prospective game more-so than the potential local (friendly!) derby against our closest neighbours Camelon Juniors, who have also recently announced their application. This is a game that, despite our proximity of only a few miles, has rarely been played competitively but could be on the fixture list come June when the full season fixtures are announced.

Given the speculation over recent weeks we felt it only right that we make this information available at this time. We hope that everyone connected with Dunipace FC, Denny, Dunipace and our wider community can understand our reasons for making this decision and, if we are successful on Thursday, will support the 'Pace as we embark on a new journey. A journey which will hopefully provide youngsters in and around the town a pathway from kids right through to Senior football without leaving the Denny and Dunipace area.

Saturday's game versus Ashfield marked both the last home game on Grass and if our application is successful on Thursday, last home game as a Junior club. Thanks to those who came down to Westfield to support the team. Youth section players attended and had a photograph taken with the first team and this was great to see. We hope the work being done behind the scenes captures your imagination and we can welcome you all regularly on our journey long into the future.

We look forward to a new and exciting future for the club and everyone around it.

Well done to all involved!

[stanley]

Great news and a good statement.

[Khufu2]

5 minutes ago, HTG said:

Do not argue this any further. 

LOL! Who on earth do you think you are?

There is a moratorium on licence applications.

Dalkeith and Blackburn are not EOS members.  They are junior clubs.

Their applications will be dealt with a) when they join the EOS  b) when the SFA lifts the moratorium.

Despite what has been posted there is no processing of any Blackburn or Dalkeith application at the moment.

All those statements are facts.

It’s not rocket science.

 

 

[cmontheloknow]

15 minutes ago, Khufu2 said:

LOL! Who on earth do you think you are?

There is a moratorium on licence applications.

Dalkeith and Blackburn are not EOS members.  They are junior clubs.

Their applications will be dealt with a) when they join the EOS  b) when the SFA lifts the moratorium.

Despite what has been posted there is no processing of any Blackburn or Dalkeith application at the moment.

All those statements are facts.

It’s not rocket science.

 

 

In terms of the 'moratorium' on SFA Licensing applications - is says quite clearly (to me anyway) in McKinlay's email that the June board meeting won't consider them and that they hope to have the whole ambiguity resolved by the end of the summer. The prospective Licenced clubs won't get in the Scottish Cup for 2018-19 (I think they'd need to first join the SFA at the AGM and then get the Licence and that won't happen in time) so therefore getting the nod in August, October or Feb '19 is not going to matter a huge amount to Dalkeith, Blackburn, Camelon, whoever. The whole licencing process seems to take months - as noted below - anyway. This moratorium doesn't seem to change much, if anything? 

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Given the ongoing uncertainty around finding a pyramid solution to bring the Juniors into the fold and the number of junior members that appear to be leaving without knowing what the pyramid solution is, it was agreed unanimously by the Scottish FA Board that it would not take any more membership applications until such time as this matter is resolved. This ensures that all clubs are able to make informed decisions in the full knowledge of what the future landscape looks like; something that they are unable to do at present.

The Scottish FA President will be chairing this and will be reconvening the pyramid working group in early course to take this forward. It is his and the Board of the Scottish FA’s wish that this can be resolved over the Summer allowing clubs to know what the situation is prior to the start of next season (noting that if any structural changes are agreed these would not come in until season 19-20). If matters are resolved in this timescale it will only be one Board meeting (June) where the Board are not considering applications for membership which should not cause any issues for clubs given the length of time it then takes to work through the process to gain full membership.

Edited April 24, 2018 by cmontheloknow

[Burnie_man]

2 hours ago, Khufu2 said:

The facts are:

 

1. Blackburn United will join the EoSFL on Thursday, subject to acceptance by the EoS membership.

2. Blackburn United's application for SFA membership was noted at last Thursdays SFA board meeting and passed to the SFA Licencing Dept to begin the process.

The only fantasy is the one circulating inside your head. Case closed.

[Khufu2]

2 minutes ago, cmontheloknow said:

In terms of the 'moratorium' on SFA Licensing applications - is says quite clearly (to me anyway) in McKinlay's email that the June board meeting won't consider them and that they hope to have the whole ambiguity resolved by the end of the summer. The prospective Licenced clubs won't get in the Scottish Cup for 2018-19 (I think they'd need to first join the SFA and then get the Licence and that won't happen in time) so therefore getting the nod in August, October or Feb '19 is not going to matter a huge amount. The whole licencing process seems to take months anyway. Are Dalkeith and Blackburn that far down the road it's juts a case of the rubber stamp anyway?

 

 

I wouldn’t disagree with any of that.

Once they join EOS and once the  moratorium is lifted the two clubs can forward their applications. It may or may not be a rubber stamp job, though. 

[Burnie_man]

7 minutes ago, cmontheloknow said:

In terms of the 'moratorium' on SFA Licensing applications - is says quite clearly (to me anyway) in McKinlay's email that the June board meeting won't consider them and that they hope to have the whole ambiguity resolved by the end of the summer. The prospective Licenced clubs won't get in the Scottish Cup for 2018-19 (I think they'd need to first join the SFA at the AGM and then get the Licence and that won't happen in time) so therefore getting the nod in August, October or Feb '19 is not going to matter a huge amount to Dalkeith, Blackburn, Camelon, whoever. The whole licencing process seems to take months - as noted below - anyway. This moratorium doesn't seem to change much, if anything? 

Blackburn and Dalkeith's applications went before the SFA Board on Thursday and were not subject to the moratorium, they will progress as normal.  Any further applications will be subject to the months moratorium.

[Burnie_man]

1 hour ago, Goalie Hamish said:

Burnie yer wrang, I think yer man smells of pigeons fae the weege

Doo poo?

[Burnie_man]

26 minutes ago, Khufu2 said:

Despite what has been posted there is no processing of any Blackburn or Dalkeith application at the moment.

All those statements are facts.

It’s not rocket science.

 

Evidently it is for you.

[cmontheloknow]

2 minutes ago, Burnie_man said:

Blackburn and Dalkeith's applications went before the SFA Board on Thursday and were not subject to the moratorium, they will progress as normal.  Any further applications will be subject to the months moratorium.

So they were the two and not LTHV + AN Other?

[FairWeatherFan]

5 minutes ago, cmontheloknow said:

So they were the two and not LTHV + AN Other?

It would appear to be a turn of phrase that has thrown people off. LTHV presumably have an ongoing application still going through the compliance phase, while Blackburn & Dalkieth will now begin their compliance phase.

[Khufu2]

10 minutes ago, Burnie_man said:

Blackburn and Dalkeith's applications went before the SFA Board on Thursday and were not subject to the moratorium, they will progress as normal.  Any further applications will be subject to the months moratorium.

Since when were Junior clubs allowed to apply for licences?

[Burnie_man]

1 minute ago, Khufu2 said:

Since when were Junior clubs allowed to apply for licences?

Since they sign the declaration of their intent to join the Pyramid and sent the SFA the fee.

[FairWeatherFan]

Just now, Khufu2 said:

Since when were Junior clubs allowed to apply for licences?

Since they notified the SFA they were intending to apply to a league within the SFA pyramid. Auchinleck & Kelty apparently did the same. Auchinleck were told to progress the application they'd have to go to the SoS, they didn't. Kelty were told they had to go to the EoS and they did.

[Burnie_man]

11 minutes ago, cmontheloknow said:

So they were the two and not LTHV + AN Other?

Not sure about LTHV, but ours and Dalkeith's were accepted as we applied before the moratorium.  LTHV are probably a separate matter.

Edited April 24, 2018 by Burnie_man

[Burnie_man]

4 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:

It would appear to be a turn of phrase that has thrown people off. LTHV presumably have an ongoing application still going through the compliance phase, while Blackburn & Dalkieth will now begin their compliance phase.

Correct.

[surely not!]

So you think 4 or 5 of the new EOS ex Junior teams out of say 15 teams  can get licensed quickly but in the West out of about 80 teams many of whom have arguably better facilities and infrastucture wouldn't be able to get 20 licensed quickly? Looke like you are just twisting things to suit your own agenda......

The 15 teams on the move have been ( mostly) making the improvements behind the scenes, to the ground and with the relevant paperwork so that they are on the route already to being licenced. It’s not a stretch that 5 of them can achieve it.

Most of the 80 will be starting from ‘scratch’ with paperwork etc, albeit some of them have grounds that are very close to the required standard.