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"The ICT Thread - The Championship Years"


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2 hours ago, eez-eh said:

If the season is voided (with any remaining prize money split evenly), it follows from that that Inverness didn’t finish in second place - because you’re pretty much wiping out the standings.

I don’t see how it would be fair to say that nothing counts, but then - through reconstruction - start promoting teams based on where they finished in a season that you’ve just told everyone doesn’t count.

Not necessarily. The alternative was that promotion/relegation would not be awarded on the ppg basis but prize money would be. You could then easily say you are enlarging the top flight or second tier by x teams based on the ppg standings.

I don't think you are saying nothing counts, just that across the board, the conventional system of up/down was disproportionately harsh on some teams (i.e Hearts, Thistle, Falkirk etc) and disproportionately rewarding others (i.e. St Mirren, Raith, QotS etc). The short-term cash flow is important but this could be making an impact on teams that last many years when they still had football to play and a reasonable chance of improving their situation.

I would argue that if we did just take something resembling Livi's 14 plan for the top flight and promoted accordingly down the leagues, that would have been by far the least bad plan and been far less hurtful overall. Obviously, clubs will act in their self-interest but I think it is disappointing considering that it was really a minimal sacrifice and in 2013, we actually achieved a lot more with top flight clubs significantly reducing their cash share through the leagues and introducing the play-offs.

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I miss the days when people laughed at us when we released statements promising thorough investigations for someone using the club Twitter account to like porn videos. Halcyon days.

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So if I am right it seems we were looking for:

  • Current first placed teams in the respective divisions to be awarded titles;
  • No relegation for the sides currently in last place in the respective divisions;
  • The season to be declared null and void;
  • Prize monies distributed on current league places; and
  • Reconstruction of the league that would likely have seen us parachuted into the Premiership as the 14th team?

Sign me up 8)

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I've got to be honest, I think this whole thing has been really poorly handled by our board.  They are completely out of their depth but there's no-one who is going to step in and take over so we are stuck with them.  Releasing embarrassing statements and publicising private conversations with other chairman isn't the way to enhance your clubs reputation.  When it comes down to it, what has the point of all this been?  Why have we pushed so hard on this, when it was obvious early in the whole process that we were very unlikely to come out of this with what we wanted, which was either a season completion or an expanded league?  You have to pick your battles in life and we have picked the wrong battle.  Who knows what impact this will have on us next season, it's certainly not made our club a more attractive location for other players or managers, which we might need to think about if Robbo is given an opporutnity at a higher level.

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1 hour ago, ICTChris said:

I've got to be honest, I think this whole thing has been really poorly handled by our board.  They are completely out of their depth but there's no-one who is going to step in and take over so we are stuck with them.  Releasing embarrassing statements and publicising private conversations with other chairman isn't the way to enhance your clubs reputation.  When it comes down to it, what has the point of all this been?  Why have we pushed so hard on this, when it was obvious early in the whole process that we were very unlikely to come out of this with what we wanted, which was either a season completion or an expanded league?  You have to pick your battles in life and we have picked the wrong battle.  Who knows what impact this will have on us next season, it's certainly not made our club a more attractive location for other players or managers, which we might need to think about if Robbo is given an opporutnity at a higher level.

Indeed.  I mean I admire Scot Gardiner for being on the minds of every Dundee fan literally every second, but he has to go.  I've spoken to Ross Morrison and he seems like an alright bloke and wants what's best for the club.  I've seen Gardiner at our 25th anniversary dinner and he just seemed like a complete idiot.

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