Jambomo Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 The Scottish Government has been running a consultation on the potential use of fracking and coal bed mining in Scotland. Today is the last day if you want to express your views on it: https://consult.scotland.gov.uk/energy-and-climate-change-directorate/fracking-unconventional-oil-and-gas/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Don't really see anything wrong with it. More jobs, more industry, better for the economy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambomo Posted May 31, 2017 Author Share Posted May 31, 2017 For me its mainly environmental issues (and potentially health issues for those local to it). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DI Bruce Robertson Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Fracking occurs on a daily basis in Scotland. It's just that it's offshore.I don't see any problem - so long as environmental groups are involved in the process & are given raw data from any environmental surveys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DublinMagyar Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Get fracking before the fucking lights go oot. Or just nuke Greenock. FTFY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 1 hour ago, Romeo said: Don't really see anything wrong with it. More jobs, more industry, better for the economy. Fucks up the land, the water and the wildlife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 1 hour ago, DI Bruce Robertson said: Fracking occurs on a daily basis in Scotland. It's just that it's offshore. Wouldn't that be covered by the moratorium? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DI Bruce Robertson Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Wouldn't that be covered by the moratorium? I wouldn't imagine so, as it goes on every day. Maybe the moratorium only relates to onshore sites."Fracking" relates to fracturing the oil holding rock structure. Mainly done by use of explosives, but certain chemical combinations can also be used.This enables the oil to flow to the well.More recently, the term has been used to describe any action where anything other than natural "downhole" pressure is required to either fragment the rock or re-inject to maximise production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DI Bruce Robertson Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Fucks up the land, the water and the wildlife. Stats & sources please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 14 minutes ago, DI Bruce Robertson said: Stats & sources please? http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/fracking-is-harmful-to-health-scottish-government-report-damning-evidence-climate-change-a7405296.html https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fracking-can-contaminate-drinking-water/ https://www.rt.com/usa/368494-fracking-threats-health-evidence/ https://www.eenews.net/assets/2016/08/25/document_ew_01.pdf http://pacinst.org/app/uploads/2014/04/fracking-water-sources-exec-sum.pdf http://scienceblogs.com/significantfigures/index.php/2013/06/27/the-growing-evidence-of-the-threat-of-fracking-to-the-nations-groundwater/ http://www.psr.org/assets/pdfs/fracking-compendium-4.pdf I could go on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 35 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said: http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/fracking-is-harmful-to-health-scottish-government-report-damning-evidence-climate-change-a7405296.html https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fracking-can-contaminate-drinking-water/ https://www.rt.com/usa/368494-fracking-threats-health-evidence/ https://www.eenews.net/assets/2016/08/25/document_ew_01.pdf http://pacinst.org/app/uploads/2014/04/fracking-water-sources-exec-sum.pdf http://scienceblogs.com/significantfigures/index.php/2013/06/27/the-growing-evidence-of-the-threat-of-fracking-to-the-nations-groundwater/ http://www.psr.org/assets/pdfs/fracking-compendium-4.pdf I could go on. How do you suggest we meet our energy needs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 1 minute ago, Romeo said: How do you suggest we meet our energy needs? Wind, Solar, Hydro et al. What has onshore fracking to do with our energy needs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Just now, Baxter Parp said: What has onshore fracking to do with our energy needs? Gas? What about nuclear? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 1 minute ago, Romeo said: Gas? What about nuclear? We're using gas now. Nuclear is too expensive and too dirty. Have you figured out what onshore fracking has to do with our energy needs yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogmc Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 How do you suggest we meet our energy needs? Fracking has nothing to do with meeting our energy needs and everything to do with multinationals corporations filling their pockets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 2 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said: We're using gas now. Nuclear is too expensive and too dirty. Have you figured out what onshore fracking has to do with our energy needs yet? Just now, dogmc said: Fracking has nothing to do with meeting our energy needs and everything to do with multinationals corporations filling their pockets. So what happens wit this gas from "onshore fracking"? Nuclear seems pretty good to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 3 minutes ago, Romeo said: So what happens wit this gas from "onshore fracking"? It's often oil and gas and it goes to refineries or gets stored in gasometers. It's the damage caused by extracting it that's the problem. 5 minutes ago, Romeo said: Nuclear seems pretty good to me. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinkley_Point_C_nuclear_power_station Read about the "strike price". Hinkley will produce the most expensive power in the UK - almost twice the average. The cost to build including finance is £24.5 Bn and that's before you even consider the billions it'll take to clear up when it's redundant. As for dirty, check out the mess that Sellafield made of its surroundings. Hope you like plutonium rich teeth. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sellafield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogmc Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 So what happens wit this gas from "onshore fracking"? Nuclear seems pretty good to me. Nuclear is horrifically expensive in terms of dealing with the waste and decommissioning. Scotland has no need at all for nuclear power. When you see a nuclear power plant next to London you'll know it's completely safe and consequence free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Just now, Baxter Parp said: It's often oil and gas and it goes to refineries or gets stored in gasometers. It's the damage caused by extracting it that's the problem. And then what is it used for if not for energy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 1 minute ago, Romeo said: And then what is it used for if not for energy? Oil is used for plastics usually, it's not good enough for petrol. There's already plenty gas in the north sea. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oil_and_gas_fields_of_the_North_Sea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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