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22 minutes ago, jaybeee said:

I quite clearly said this was my personal thoughts on how GLS is dealing with the club. given that he was new to running a club.  it was not an attempt to defend his position, he needs no defence as it is his club to do with as he thinks best.  

Glad to see you pointed out the positive aspects, considering he is new surely a well done for those.

This is where I have a problem ...................... the negatives, because they all pre-suppose that GLS is there to pander to all the supporters whims,  To be fair how can anyone run a club and not upset some section of the support.  The recruitment of players, coaches and managers may look panicked, frantic and desperate; or perhaps he is finding his way in unfamiliar territory.   And to be honest I am fed up of hearing of "broken promises and half truths" just how true are these? The  issue re the old firm fans has been explained several times, people might not like it, so what! it is his club, ergo his rules, which also extends by the way to how to spend income be it gate receipts or transfer monies.  Everybody has an opinion which is fair enough but those who put their money where their mouth is are GLS and SMISA and currently GLS is in charge, if people don't like it buy him out.  I am not a particular fan of GLS; I was just offering an opinion no more valid or less valid than others .................. simply my opinion.

Remembering the last board fills me with dread, they had done their best over the years and at times were unfairly slated IMO, however they clearly wanted out and we should be glad they at least resisted the likes of Reg Brierley (cant remember the name exactly but something along those lines) or we might not have a club and indeed they also fought to get approval to get planning on the old ground to sell it or again the club might not be here.  As for new ideas and innovations well they usually take mega money and GLS doesn't strike me as someone who would gamble with large sums of money speculatively.   I have my doubts re fans running the club but that's just my opinion and I really hope I am wrong and I wish whoever is in charge every success as I am sure do all buddies.

Jaybeee, I've no problem with your opinion or with you. 

The negatives do exist. There have been broken promises and half truths. There was a deliberate slight of hand when they told the support that if enough seats were sold in the West Stand the Old Firm would not be sold seats in the St Mirren end. I understand the business motivation for what they did, they just were quite deliberate in their deception in how they did it. Gordon Scott also promised that he wouldn't move fans out of the family stand to accommodate Old Firm fans without putting it to a vote - that vote never happened. The Paisley 10k broken promise was a bizarre one and it's hard to fathom out why he reneged on that but he did. Another bizarre one was when he accused fans in W6 of spitting on an injured supporter, and his war of words with W6 despite using them to keep kids entertained during the clubs open day. 

Technically, of course, you are right. He's the majority shareholder and it's his toy but surely it can't simply be a case of like it or lump it. He needs the supporters, if not to keep the business ticking over, then certainly to buy his shares off him at the agreed price when he finally decides he's had enough. The last board used to describe themselves as custodians of the club. I think I preferred that description to the image you paint of Gordon Scott's tenure. 

As for the old board they also had their positives and negatives. I believe their deal to sell Love Street was one of the finest bits of business ever done at the club. The timing was impeccable and I think they extracted all the money they could have done out of the deal. Where they perhaps should have done better is in that having got an empty piece of land and a large blank piece of paper they failed to build in the kind of facilities that could be used by the local community to boost income into the club, but then I'm led to believe Gordon Scott was heavily involved in the development of the new stadium so perhaps it too was one of his failings. The old board also managed two promotions to the top tier and kept St Mirren up for a number of seasons. That alongside their League Cup win probably makes them the most successful football board in the clubs history. I just wish they hadn't sullied their record with some stupid recruitment and their attempt to put their personal wealth ahead of what was right and proper in Scottish Football when Rangers went bust. 

New ideas and innovations don't have to be massive projects. Some of the clubs in the lower leagues in Scotland show the way in how you can expand the business with very little, and sometimes absolutely no seed funding. Perhaps the problem at St Mirren is that instead of looking at the small projects that gradually will grow the club, the board and many of the fans are looking for a Euromillions jackpot. 

As for fans running the club I share your doubts. Sadly I have a re-occurring image of rats fighting in a sack as each one puts their personal egos first. Anyway I'm done boring everyone with long posts. I'm off to bed. 

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6 hours ago, Malky3 said:

Absolutely. But what you fail to deal with is the fact that the "Great Escape" squad was widely tipped by fans everywhere to be play off place challengers at that start of that season. Instead the club went till mid December without a league win and finished in the clubs lowest position in over 40 years. Whilst last season the CEO was telling everyone, including prospective managers who ran a mile at his nonsense, that St Mirren's squad was good enough to finish top 4 to top 6! 
 

There are positives as I outlined but the negatives are just as clear and just as plentiful. 

 

4 hours ago, TQM said:

At no point did he say that the St Mirren squad was good enough to finish top 4 or 6.

 

4 hours ago, Malky3 said:

In 2016 he said St Mirren would be Scottish Champions by 2019. Last year he said, and repeated often, that St Mirren were a "top 4 - top 6" club. This season he's repeated it again although this time he tempered it saying it would take some time to get there. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45476353

From the link you put on...

"I'm a St Mirren fanatic and I believe this club should be in the top six, top four of Scottish football."

 

As I said, he did not say that the St Mirren squad would finish top 6.

 

Read the quotes instead of just the headline. They both tell a different story.

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9 hours ago, TQM said:

At no point did he say that the St Mirren squad was good enough to finish top 4 or 6.

Did Nelson not say the clubs budget did not match its expectations.  That's a comment said quite a lot that we had unrealistic expectations from pundits.  We all want the best for our club clearly we are struggling to bring in new players at the moment. 

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4 minutes ago, Demented Zebra said:

Did Nelson not say the clubs budget did not match its expectations.  That's a comment said quite a lot that we had unrealistic expectations from pundits.  We all want the best for our club clearly we are struggling to bring in new players at the moment. 

Neilson went in a huff because there were other interviews taking place. He felt he should be the only choice. 

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3 minutes ago, Silvio said:

Neilson went in a huff because there were other interviews taking place. He felt he should be the only choice. 

I think he felt his stock was high at the time too and that he was bigger than the job. Couldn't even win promotion with the biggest budget in the championship last season, so probably dodged a bullet there.

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11 minutes ago, Silvio said:

Neilson went in a huff because there were other interviews taking place. He felt he should be the only choice. 

After seeing him fail to saunter that league with that budget, and then witnessing some of his truly clueless tactical decision-making - not to mention his celebrations at getting to extra time/penalties - in the playoffs, I think we dodged a bullet.

Edit: or, what @smellthepaw said 😂 started to type the post and left it open in my browser. Great minds, etc.

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Gordon Scott is a business man and a huge fan of the club, always has been and continues to do what’s best for the club.

So f**k if it’s his way or the highway, it’s his club to do as he wishes until the fan buyout is completed. Without him there might not have been a club to support given the calibre of potential buyers looking to get their hands on the club when the previous board wanted out.

Is it too much to ask that as a fanbase we unite behind the club and show some support instead of always looking for ways to find fault and lay blame.

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1 hour ago, glenburn bud said:

Gordon Scott is a business man and a huge fan of the club, always has been and continues to do what’s best for the club.

So f**k if it’s his way or the highway, it’s his club to do as he wishes until the fan buyout is completed. Without him there might not have been a club to support given the calibre of potential buyers looking to get their hands on the club when the previous board wanted out.

Is it too much to ask that as a fanbase we unite behind the club and show some support instead of always looking for ways to find fault and lay blame.

Agreed.

We are two weeks behind where we should given the managerial situation. Unfortunate, but I’m sure Goody and the team are busting a gut to rectify. 

Seems to have picked up pace given the Dutch striker knocking us back. I could be wrong, but he scored 12 or so goals in the second division, over 30 plus games. People need to note that NBM scored 7 in 23 in the league above...

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1 hour ago, glenburn bud said:

Gordon Scott is a business man and a huge fan of the club, always has been and continues to do what’s best for the club.

So f**k if it’s his way or the highway, it’s his club to do as he wishes until the fan buyout is completed. Without him there might not have been a club to support given the calibre of potential buyers looking to get their hands on the club when the previous board wanted out.

Is it too much to ask that as a fanbase we unite behind the club and show some support instead of always looking for ways to find fault and lay blame.

I'm sure we all understand Gordon Scott or nothing else at the moment.  We also know he is a St Mirren fan . Surly that does not mean we can not  be critical  ? Everyone makes mistakes three managers in one year dont think I have ever heard of that no matter the circumstances.  The turnover of players in the last two years is astounding = a lot of spunked cash. I'm a member of SMISA fan ownership is not going to be easy given all the different opinions.  

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7 hours ago, Malky3 said:

As for the old board they also had their positives and negatives. I believe their deal to sell Love Street was one of the finest bits of business ever done at the club. The timing was impeccable and I think they extracted all the money they could have done out of the deal. Where they perhaps should have done better is in that having got an empty piece of land and a large blank piece of paper they failed to build in the kind of facilities that could be used by the local community to boost income into the club, but then I'm led to believe Gordon Scott was heavily involved in the development of the new stadium so perhaps it too was one of his failings.

Gordon Scott was indeed heavily involved in the development of the new stadium (I think the BoD agreed to this on account of his experience in the construction industry, which makes perfect sense), but the bottom line was that all Tesco had agreed to fund was a basic, SPL compliant stadium. I also understand that it was their choice to opt for BARR as the construction firm.

When a few of us met with Gordon during the latter stages of construction for a tour of the stadium, it was clear that he had put a great deal of his own time and effort into the project. He was, however, frustrated at having his hands tied in terms of pursuing ways of personalising the stadium and developing it more creatively. I think he had hoped that the BoD would have freed up some additional funds for this purpose. In that respect, I would be inclined to hold him least responsible for the somewhat soulless collection of 4 shoe boxes we were presented with when the stadium initially opened.

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I think he had hoped that the BoD would have freed up some additional funds for this purpose. In that respect, I would be inclined to hold him least responsible for the somewhat soulless collection of 4 shoe boxes we were presented with when the stadium initially opened.


Not sure why he would be the least responsible, he was part of the board as well at the point, he would have been aware what was and wasn’t agreed with Tesco
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18 minutes ago, Stan Bo said:

 


Not sure why he would be the least responsible, he was part of the board as well at the point, he would have been aware what was and wasn’t agreed with Tesco

You do know how these things work, I take it?

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6 minutes ago, Arch Stanton said:
33 minutes ago, djchapsticks said:
I don't expect us to be done there.

Kellermann?

That was my thoughts. Could Tansey be another.  To be honest looking at what we have you could cull most of the squad. 

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Just now, Pettywulliegrew-2 said:

What was the story with this boy ????£75'000 and 2 games

We got conned by Stubbs who claimed that this guy who had never played full-time professional football was the next big thing. Signed him from the Vardy Academy for the Premiership.

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