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2 hours ago, Coventry Saint said:

While you wouldn't complain if either of them came back, I felt they both hugely papered over the cracks. We were heavily reliant on both and it contributed to hugely inconsistent form. Both McGrath and Ronan were in the squad that went 11 games without a win, remember.

I'm sure I remember a certain poster telling us, when McGrath left, that Kiltie would step up to the plate and score double figures.:rolleyes:

 

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McGrath is a great addition. Surprised he never broke through at Wigan as it's clearly a level he could cope with. No problem with him going to United, after all we weren't in the running for him. Not sure who takes United's penalties but that's going to change pretty soon.

 

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McGrath is a good player, but I always felt his contributions were vastly exaggerated. Had his stats not been padded with 15 penalties he wouldn't have had a look in with Wigan. Good signing for United though.

Ronan was a far, far better player than McGrath. If he ended up at a league rival I'd be gutted.

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9 minutes ago, Shuggie_Murray7 said:

McGrath is a good player, but I always felt his contributions were vastly exaggerated. Had his starts not been padded with 15 penalties he wouldn't hacve had a look in with Wigan. Good signing for United though.

Ronan was a far, far better player than McGrath. If he ended up at a league rival I'd be gutted.

Accurate assessment of McGrath. 

He should have been head an shoulders above everyone last season up until his move to Wigan, though he never did show enough quality in his final year. 
Ronan on the other hand oozed class and you could see he was a top top player. At 24, he really needs to either be included in Wolves plans this season or seek a permanent move to a better league than ours. 

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While you wouldn't complain if either of them came back, I felt they both hugely papered over the cracks. We were heavily reliant on both and it contributed to hugely inconsistent form. Both McGrath and Ronan were in the squad that went 11 games without a win, remember.


Yep having a quality player in the team who will regularly score important goals will always be the difference in a league where there’s not much between 8-9 teams. Last season it was Ronan, the season before it was McGrath.
This season we don’t have a player like that and it seems like the 3-5-2 system he is intent on playing won’t allow for one. So we get games like Arbroath and Motherwell where we dominate both, but we don’t have that bit of quality to score and we lose them.
It doesn’t bode well.
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For whatever reason, McGrath couldn't get a game for Wigan last season when they were in League One - and as they got promoted he can't really argue he should have been playing. With them now being in the Championship, it's even less likely he'll get a game unless he moves so going to Dundee United makes sense.

Would happily have had him back or kept Ronan for another year as we don't really have a goal threat from midfield.

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2 hours ago, Ric said:

McGrath is a great addition. Surprised he never broke through at Wigan as it's clearly a level he could cope with. No problem with him going to United, after all we weren't in the running for him. Not sure who takes United's penalties but that's going to change pretty soon.

 

Except it's clearly not a level he could cope with if he's back up the road already. He's not good enough for the English Championship. 

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6 minutes ago, Steven Glansberg said:

He's not good enough for the English Championship.

Conjecture, imo.

 

As it is, he's a decent player for this league and that's all that matters.

 

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29 minutes ago, Lex said:

 


Yep having a quality player in the team who will regularly score important goals will always be the difference in a league where there’s not much between 8-9 teams. Last season it was Ronan, the season before it was McGrath.
This season we don’t have a player like that and it seems like the 3-5-2 system he is intent on playing won’t allow for one. So we get games like Arbroath and Motherwell where we dominate both, but we don’t have that bit of quality to score and we lose them.
It doesn’t bode well.

 

I take it that you've changed your mind regarding Kiltie?

What's changed your mind?

 

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Yep having a quality player in the team who will regularly score important goals will always be the difference in a league where there’s not much between 8-9 teams. Last season it was Ronan, the season before it was McGrath.
This season we don’t have a player like that and it seems like the 3-5-2 system he is intent on playing won’t allow for one. So we get games like Arbroath and Motherwell where we dominate both, but we don’t have that bit of quality to score and we lose them.
It doesn’t bode well.
Plenty time yet, we didn't have Ronan this time last season remember.
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I take it that you've changed your mind regarding Kiltie?
What's changed your mind?
 


The formation Robinson is playing. I don’t think Kiltie is in the first choice 11.
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Plenty time yet, we didn't have Ronan this time last season remember.


Yep exactly. Let’s hope we sign a player of similar quality before the end of the month.
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7 minutes ago, Lex said:

 


The formation Robinson is playing. I don’t think Kiltie is in the first choice 11.

 

Fair enough.

If that's the case, then signing a Ronan/McGrath type player might not fit in either.

Baccus looks like a player. Maybe, like Ronan, he'll add goals to his repertoire. Ronan's scoring record before he arrived at us was almost non-existent.

 

 

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McGrath is a good player. His last season with us he rarely saw the ball, along with the rest of the midfield, as Jim's one and only tactic was a long ball to the wing backs pushed up the park. The midfield was redundant.

McGrath left us to a team who were settled and winning every week and won the League so there was no way he was going to walk in and change a winning team. Surprised he is not getting a chance this season to see what he can do as he was also a slow starter with us.

Good luck to him. Jim wasted him at the end.

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Yep exactly. Let’s hope we sign a player of similar quality before the end of the month.
Got to play the loan market for that little bit of something extra. Robinson hasn't gone there so far so I'm assuming we might see a bit of quality come in via that route but that's far more likely in the dimming embers of the transfer window.
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I think a loan or two is the most likely addition. I'd be surprised if we brought in any other permanent signings unless we move someone on.

I won't be holding my breath for any loan player to be as good as Ronan though. He was a special player and I hope he goes on and has a good career. Loan signings (like all signings at our level I suppose) are a bit of a lottery. Plenty of talented young guys will find it very difficult when coming up against pros with 100s of first team games. I reckon we've had more underwhelming loan signings than successful ones over the years.

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3 hours ago, houston_bud said:

I think a loan or two is the most likely addition. I'd be surprised if we brought in any other permanent signings unless we move someone on.

I won't be holding my breath for any loan player to be as good as Ronan though. He was a special player and I hope he goes on and has a good career. Loan signings (like all signings at our level I suppose) are a bit of a lottery. Plenty of talented young guys will find it very difficult when coming up against pros with 100s of first team games. I reckon we've had more underwhelming loan signings than successful ones over the years.

Definitely think we've got a bit better at playing the loan game in recent years. If you compiled a top ten of loanees, most would be from the past decade. TBH, most would be the past 5/6 years but the trio of loanees in the cup winning side skews the data slightly.

Off the top of my head, and in no order, Paul McGowan, Isma, Newton, Dummett, Sean McLoughlin, Famewo, Cammy Smith, Liam Smith, Connor Ronan, Harry Davis... have all been, I'd say, very successful for us. I'm not counting Lewis Morgan, and there's probably others I've forgotten.

However, the current model - maybe using a loan player or two to add a bit of quality to an otherwise settled squad - is a WAY better strategy than filling the team with loans in a 'spray and pray ' approach.

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I don't think anyone is saying we will bring in a player of Ronan's quality. We lucked out by convincing him to come and Wolves agreeing to it. If we can pull off a loan of a creative midfield type who is anywhere near Ronan's level then that would definitely be a boost for us.

I've only seen Baccus play the game at the weekend, but he is more of a creative spark than I expected. I had presumed he was a midfield anchor, similar to Erhahon, but his passing looks decent and he makes some really good runs as well and seems to have a decent engine. Probably not up to the attacking level of Ronan, or McGrath for that matter, but far more attacking than I had anticipated, which is a bonus.

I'd be disappointed if we didn't bring in one more creative midfielder before the window closes.

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