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If we stand aside and let Robinson go, we're as good as giving up on the season. Another nine months of listening to a manager complain that he's trying his hardest with another guy's signings, etc.

People seem to forget that we have been largely shite since we came back up. We've managed solid but unspectacular league positions under Goodwin but the football's been fucking dire. 

A few decent games - the wins over the Old Firm, 5-1 United away - have glossed over endless turgid matches with no attacking intent, and a couple of big-occasion bottle jobs.

I haven't been impressed with Robinson so far. I was highly critical of his formation switches last season, and his interviews have, on occasion, been bizarre, post-truth bollocks.

But he has to be given more time because going back to square one at this stage, with no guarantee that the replacement would be any better, is utterly mental.

It feels weird for the first game of the season to feel so important, but it really is. The strange thing is, if Well beat us, he arguably becomes less desirable to both them and us. If we turn them over, will that make them want him more?

It's almost certainly moot anyway. I really don't believe they want to bring him back.

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3 minutes ago, Coventry Saint said:

If we stand aside and let Robinson go, we're as good as giving up on the season. Another nine months of listening to a manager complain that he's trying his hardest with another guy's signings, etc.

People seem to forget that we have been largely shite since we came back up. We've managed solid but unspectacular league positions under Goodwin but the football's been fucking dire. 

A few decent games - the wins over the Old Firm, 5-1 United away - have glossed over endless turgid matches with no attacking intent, and a couple of big-occasion bottle jobs.

I haven't been impressed with Robinson so far. I was highly critical of his formation switches last season, and his interviews have, on occasion, been bizarre, post-truth bollocks.

But he has to be given more time because going back to square one at this stage, with no guarantee that the replacement would be any better, is utterly mental.

It feels weird for the first game of the season to feel so important, but it really is. The strange thing is, if Well beat us, he arguably becomes less desirable to both them and us. If we turn them over, will that make them want him more?

It's almost certainly moot anyway. I really don't believe they want to bring him back.

This. 

This to a word.

I'm not a Robinson apologist, nor have I been particularly enamoured by our performances or his handling of things since taking charge but let's not gloss over the fact that Goodwin was given a LOT more grace by St. Mirren fans because of who he was and not what he was doing. Because if it was what he was doing, the knives would have been out quickly for him too.

He needs to be given a chance to show he can get the squad he's put together singing off the same hymn sheet. He may not but his chances of doing so are markedly higher than a new gaffer would at this point.

If we get to 11 games in and are in dire straits then that will obviously be a different scenario.

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44 minutes ago, djchapsticks said:

Honestly, based on what? 

We have at least 5 new starters from last season and it's hardly ideal to go out of the LC so early but I don't for a minute think that people have given the team, manager or new signings any sort of chance to gel or improve.

They've seen a lackluster performance against Arbroath and a really, really shite showing at Airdrie and decided that's more than enough to make a fully informed decision that we're not going to get better. You must surely see how irrational that is?!

What of we turn in an improved performance tomorrow and get a win or even a draw with a good showing, are you still going to say there's no hope of improvement?

Maybe but I just got a feeling it won't work out with us

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I haven't been impressed with performances and results so far but to talk of binning Robinson is mad.

We were never going to get another keeper as good as Alnwick but Carson is an internationalist as is Gallagher. O'Hara, Baccus, Strain and Ayungu all looked decent and it is far too early to say they won't hack it at Premiership level (O'Hara can). And we've been without Main and Brophy with limited appearances of Kiltie and Tanser.

The squad looks half decent on paper. Time will tell if the players, formation and tactics will be good enough. But they need a chance as does Robinson.

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Robinson will be heavily under fire if we lose tomorrow. The team still lacks a couple of key players. 

I personally dont see him walking away but I do see him pushed if results are as bad as the LC campaign. 

I would love him to be a success but my confidence in what I have seen so far is low. 

I think there is mileage in the well story but I dont think it is cut and dried

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18 minutes ago, AW saint said:

Robinson will be heavily under fire if we lose tomorrow. The team still lacks a couple of key players. 

I personally dont see him walking away but I do see him pushed if results are as bad as the LC campaign. 

I would love him to be a success but my confidence in what I have seen so far is low. 

I think there is mileage in the well story but I dont think it is cut and dried

Did Burrows not shoot the story down on radio this afternoon? 
Unless I misheard . 

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3 minutes ago, Thenorthernlight said:

Did Burrows not shoot the story down on radio this afternoon? 
Unless I misheard . 

He said something like - don't believe everything you read in the papers. 

 

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55 minutes ago, Thenorthernlight said:

Did Burrows not shoot the story down on radio this afternoon? 
Unless I misheard . 

That was my thoughts exactly. And Tam Cowan said earlier the journalist was a Well supporter who rarely gets things right.

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56 minutes ago, Thenorthernlight said:

Did Burrows not shoot the story down on radio this afternoon? 
Unless I misheard . 

He certainly did not deny it. He said don't believe everything but didnt quash the story. He didnt want to disrespect us before the game tomorrow

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6 hours ago, djchapsticks said:

This. 

This to a word.

I'm not a Robinson apologist, nor have I been particularly enamoured by our performances or his handling of things since taking charge but let's not gloss over the fact that Goodwin was given a LOT more grace by St. Mirren fans because of who he was and not what he was doing. Because if it was what he was doing, the knives would have been out quickly for him too.

He needs to be given a chance to show he can get the squad he's put together singing off the same hymn sheet. He may not but his chances of doing so are markedly higher than a new gaffer would at this point.

If we get to 11 games in and are in dire straits then that will obviously be a different scenario.

I mostly agree with this. I'm certainly not calling for Robinson to be sacked and i think he can come good but he needs a decent run. 

Where I would slightly disagree with is that Goodwin was given a lot more grace. Being an ex player he was definitely more popular with the fans but when we were on a bad run there were plenty on here, bawarmy, twitter that would've had him out. Difference with Goodwin was that he was able to pull out a few good runs of form and some big results. Robinson needs a good run pretty soon.

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4 hours ago, houston_bud said:

I mostly agree with this. I'm certainly not calling for Robinson to be sacked and i think he can come good but he needs a decent run. 

Where I would slightly disagree with is that Goodwin was given a lot more grace. Being an ex player he was definitely more popular with the fans but when we were on a bad run there were plenty on here, bawarmy, twitter that would've had him out. Difference with Goodwin was that he was able to pull out a few good runs of form and some big results. Robinson needs a good run pretty soon.

That's fair enough.

Goodwin's sides were notoriously hard to beat. A lot of games we potentially should have lost, we scraped 0-0 or 1-1 draws but on the flip side, a lot of games we should have won ended with the same result.

Not pretty by any means but effective I suppose. 

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9 hours ago, NorthBank said:

That was my thoughts exactly. And Tam Cowan said earlier the journalist was a Well supporter who rarely gets things right.

Tam Cowan is also a Motherwell supporter who rarely gets anything right... 🙄

10 hours ago, AW saint said:

I think there is mileage in the well story but I dont think it is cut and dried

Why? Everything Robinson has said, coupled with us holding the whip hand and allowing us to charge them a fortune for a manager under contract, suggests there is no logic to thinking this is anything other than some random zoomer reading some salty comments on a forum and thinking "there's my scoop". In fact, the final nail in the coffin should be that the story is in the Record. If the first two strikes (Robinson's own words and our financial benefit) didn't dissuade you, then the publishing medium should.

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4 hours ago, houston_bud said:

I mostly agree with this. I'm certainly not calling for Robinson to be sacked and i think he can come good but he needs a decent run. 

Where I would slightly disagree with is that Goodwin was given a lot more grace. Being an ex player he was definitely more popular with the fans but when we were on a bad run there were plenty on here, bawarmy, twitter that would've had him out. Difference with Goodwin was that he was able to pull out a few good runs of form and some big results. Robinson needs a good run pretty soon.

Goodwin had lots and lots of bad runs to be fair. To be honest, I don't think any other manager who bottled our best chances of a top six finish and the two cups since 2013, all in the same season, would have got the slack Goodwin did, especially following up that failure with no wins in the first 7 games (I think...) the season after.

Even last season pretty much followed the Goodwin standard by a ropy start, followed by a decent run of form, before injuries and suspensions start to take it's toll on a knackered, tiny squad around February and it all starts to fall away. It just so happened that last season Robinson was in charge during the usual third act rather than Goodwin this time.

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10 hours ago, Munoz said:

He said something like - don't believe everything you read in the papers. 

 

There’s no way Robinson is going back to Motherwell. It would be a backwards step for Motherwell and they don’t seem to be a club that operates like that. I remember them being linked with Van der Gaag before, who is now assistant to ten Haag at Manchester United, surely he will be in the frame for the job again?

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4 hours ago, houston_bud said:

I mostly agree with this. I'm certainly not calling for Robinson to be sacked and i think he can come good but he needs a decent run.

Current league form is WWDD with 0 goals conceded. Hopefully that run will continue today.

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7 minutes ago, GroundHoppingBear said:

What is Lasleys role at the club? Quite interesting he’s went in to that side of the game. On the continent loads of board members, CEOs and sporting directors are ex players but it’s not a UK thing.

He’s Chief Operating Officer. By all accounts he’s doing an excellent job, and seems to be heavily focused on the community aspect of the club. That’s something that I think Motherwell have done well at for the past few years and continue to do so today, and as similar sized fan owned clubs it seems Lasley is trying to emulate that with St Mirren. 
 

I didn’t know this until he joined St Mirren, but he grew up in Paisley and has family in the town as well. I’ve been very impressed with him any time he’s spoke about the club and the vision he’s got for the future. I think he gained a degree in business management after retiring from playing so it seems this sort of role has been something he’s been aiming at. 

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