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Another question is what is a good season for us?

Disastrous - finishing 12th or relegated via the playoffs.

Bad - 9th/10th miles off the split and just avoiding relegation

Acceptable - a repeat of the last couple of seasons, pretty much safe with 10 games to spare, decent cup run would be nice (harder now we only have the Scottish Cup to compete in), looking up the table, not below us.

Good - 7th and above

Brilliant - The holy grail, top 6 or mid table obscurity with a trip a couple trips to Hampden.

Dream - Tony Fitz gets his wish.

Is that fair enough? 

I think the league will be crazy tight again at the section that concerns us. Aberdeen will get better, Hibs could get worse. United will be consistent again. Feck knows with Motherwell, Livi, County.

Realistically a quarter of the league at least could be looking for a new manager by October/November time. I hope we aren't one of them.

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Big area of concern is if and when Tanser gets injured again, as is currently the case. He’s relied on pretty heavily and we don’t have a decent back-up to him, I guess it’s difficult enough to get a first choice left-back never mind an adequate back-up. Tait isn’t good enough to get a look in at right back, he shouldn’t be near left back - it was a crazy decision by Goodwin to give him another year. We are very top heavy now with 6 (7 if you include Henderson) forwards vying for potentially 2 spots if Robinson is shifting towards 3-5-2. 

I’d be reluctant to pin our hopes on Ayunga being a regular goalscorer, I’m yet to see the hype of him. I would be more hopeful of Main picking up where he left of last season.

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1 minute ago, buddie06smfc said:

Big area of concern is if and when Tanser gets injured again, as is currently the case. He’s relied on pretty heavily and we don’t have a decent back-up to him, I guess it’s difficult enough to get a first choice left-back never mind an adequate back-up. Tait isn’t good enough to get a look in at right back, he shouldn’t be near left back - it was a crazy decision by Goodwin to give him another year. We are very top heavy now with 6 (7 if you include Henderson) forwards vying for potentially 2 spots if Robinson is shifting towards 3-5-2. 

I’d be reluctant to pin our hopes on Ayunga being a regular goalscorer, I’m yet to see the hype of him. I would be more hopeful of Main picking up where he left of last season.

If we are going 4-3-3 Henderson has to be starting as one of the 3, from what I seen from everyone so far.

If it's 3-5-2 on Sunday the 2 up front will be Grieve and Ayunga. Kiltie will be suspended for another game or 2 won't he? 

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For me, we're lacking creativity in the middle of the park. The centre of our midfield is very combatitive, but I worry about our ability to create anything from there. Perhaps Baccus will prove to be that creative spark, but if he isn't then we could have a big problem.

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36 minutes ago, Shuggie_Murray7 said:

For me, we're lacking creativity in the middle of the park. The centre of our midfield is very combatitive, but I worry about our ability to create anything from there. Perhaps Baccus will prove to be that creative spark, but if he isn't then we could have a big problem.

I think it's early days to assess the new players. I know from the very first moment we seen Ronan play, you could see he was head and shoulders talent wise, though the likes of O'Hara, who I do highly rate and Baccus, who we haven't seen much of yet, could be the answer this season. 


The new system could also make other players better players and make them all as equally effective going forward.

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28 minutes ago, smellthepaw said:

I think it's early days to assess the new players. I know from the very first moment we seen Ronan play, you could see he was head and shoulders talent wise, though the likes of O'Hara, who I do highly rate and Baccus, who we haven't seen much of yet, could be the answer this season. 


The new system could also make other players better players and make them all as equally effective going forward.

From the games I've seen O'Hara play against us, and in the handful of games for us, I'm a fan. He's got the legs to go box-to-box and likes to get stuck in.

I just feel we need someone who is likely to have that added bit of quality to find a killer pass and can chip in with 2 or 3 screamers a season. I don't think O'Hara has that. However, Baccus may well have, only time will tell. Ideally, it could be Kiltie, but I don't see how he fits into our favoured formation.

 

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I very rarely veer off of the St Mirren games and this thread. But I've just had a peek on the Motherwell thread.

f**k my old hat, they're a miserable bunch. Bad signings, need cover for X, Y and Z, lack of investment, too much investment, reckless spending, not enough spending, financial disaster looming, shit manager, deffo going to be sacked before Christmas, finishing top 6 is shit, hibs and Aberdeen have more money, but reassuringly they seem to have the same apathy to the Arse Cheeks as we have.

I felt strangly at home there, might start going back a bit more regularly... 

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Yep for me our two best players last year were Alnwick and Ronan, both of them produced regular match winning performances.

Even if Carson does manage to stay fit enough to play 30+ games for us next season, which looks unlikely, he still looks to be a downgrade. Urminsky in line for a start on Sunday? Not having a reliable and undisputed first choice goalkeeper is a regular trait of sides struggling at the foot of the table. 

Ronan and his goals from midfield simply haven’t been replaced at all.  Can O’Hara and/or Kiltie fill that gaping void? I hope so, but I suspect not. 
With the way the league cup has gone it’s hard to be optimistic, but we’ll know more in a few weeks. We’ve got a pretty kind fixture list to start with, these first three league games in particular are huge:

Motherwell (h)

Aberdeen (a)

County (h)

We really should be aiming for six points minimum, which would be a good start. Four or five would be okay, three or less and the bad start continues.

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1 hour ago, Doctor Sanchez said:

I very rarely veer off of the St Mirren games and this thread. But I've just had a peek on the Motherwell thread.

f**k my old hat, they're a miserable bunch. Bad signings, need cover for X, Y and Z, lack of investment, too much investment, reckless spending, not enough spending, financial disaster looming, shit manager, deffo going to be sacked before Christmas, finishing top 6 is shit, hibs and Aberdeen have more money, but reassuringly they seem to have the same apathy to the Arse Cheeks as we have.

I felt strangly at home there, might start going back a bit more regularly... 

It was a miracle that Motherwell reached the top 6 and European football qualification. We were responsible for them achieving that goal. Our players bottled it at key games against them. That cost our club a lot of money.

I do wonder whether our contracts for players are geared towards high basic salary with limited rewards for performance goals.

It was criminal how poorly we performed last season in key season defining games in league and cup.

Even this season, the players should surely have been rewarded for qualification from league cup. We should not have been eliminated against three part time teams operating on a fraction of our budget.

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Way too many unknowns at this point.  Urminsky, Strain, Bacchus and Ayunga could be brilliant.  Gallagher may get back to his best.  Brophy might stay relatively fit.  Main can only be better than last season (well possibly at least).  

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7 hours ago, sergie's no1 fan said:

Another question is what is a good season for us?

With a big chunk of our season being played through the winter months, it's going to be tough for football clubs financially. There will be teams (most likely outside our league) who'll have serious problems paying their energy bills I would think. Wouldn't be surprised if we see start seeing early kick-offs to avoid the use of floodlights. Midweek fixtures being played in the afternoon perhaps. Come May, some fans might just be relieved that their club is still going.

For St Mirren, I've settled on being happy with "anything but relegation" and (as a season ticket holder who doesn't go to many away games) entertaining home games. Definitely didn't deliver on the latter in 21/22!

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1 hour ago, Buttocks Brown said:

With a big chunk of our season being played through the winter months, it's going to be tough for football clubs financially. There will be teams (most likely outside our league) who'll have serious problems paying their energy bills I would think. Wouldn't be surprised if we see start seeing early kick-offs to avoid the use of floodlights. Midweek fixtures being played in the afternoon perhaps. Come May, some fans might just be relieved that their club is still going.

For St Mirren, I've settled on being happy with "anything but relegation" and (as a season ticket holder who doesn't go to many away games) entertaining home games. Definitely didn't deliver on the latter in 21/22!

I am happy to avoid relegation too but i do feel a couple of players could make us battling top 6

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30 minutes ago, AW saint said:

I am happy to avoid relegation too but i do feel a couple of players could make us battling top 6

It's fine margins often. We were a bawhair 2 seasons ago and a couple of moments in games last season could have turned it for us.

The top 6 sense of achievement is pretty short-lived anyway: just ask the Motherwell fans!

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6 hours ago, Doctor Sanchez said:

I very rarely veer off of the St Mirren games and this thread. But I've just had a peek on the Motherwell thread.

 

I look at their thread as often as ours.  Some of the best posters on here. Definitely worth a look. 

I hope they bounce back after tonight and give St Johnstone a proper hammering next Saturday. 

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I am happy to avoid relegation too but i do feel a couple of players could make us battling top 6


In my opinion a good season for us would be staying out the relegation battle, which we have managed the last two seasons. Top six would be a great season.
At the moment I’d take being in a relegation battle and staying up as an acceptable season.
The fear of a stinker and relegation is very real at the moment.
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3-0 aggregate defeat to Sligo Rovers suffered by this mob. If we can’t stick a couple past them at home on Sunday and get our season off to a winning start, then we want shooting.*

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*All set up for 0-1 with their goal coming in 90+5 mins.

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8 minutes ago, pozbaird said:

3-0 aggregate defeat to Sligo Rovers suffered by this mob. If we can’t stick a couple past them at home on Sunday and get our season off to a winning start, then we want shooting.*

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*All set up for 0-1 with their goal coming in 90+5 mins.

Deal. 

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1 minute ago, 18May1991 said:

Deal. 

Problem is, we’ve seen this movie before. Club in crisis? Fans raging? Manager’s jaiket on a shoogly peg? Just suffered a pumping? Relax! Your next game is at…..

Got to hope we don’t do our usual in circumstances like this - roll over and let the oppo’ tickle our tummy.

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