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5 hours ago, glenburn bud said:

No wonder they are now cost cutting and clearing the decks with all the back room staff, if they are actually paying one guy £3.5 K a week.

Dundee aren't paying him that. 

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5 minutes ago, capt_oats said:

Is it not also the case that Adam's wages are largely subsidised by a sponsor (or a couple of sponsors) so that side of things doesn't really make any difference to the club?

Indeed! His pay technically has nothing to do with the club!

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5 hours ago, glenburn bud said:

No wonder they are now cost cutting and clearing the decks with all the back room staff, if they are actually paying one guy £3.5 K a week.

We've not actually done any cost cutting so far?

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40 minutes ago, Ludo*1 said:

We've not actually done any cost cutting so far?

Fair enough, but inevitable when relegation is confirmed. 

Who would you be looking for to replace McGhee and give you a proper chance of a squad rebuild, capable of challenging to come straight back up.

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Just now, glenburn bud said:

Fair enough, but inevitable when relegation is confirmed. 

Who would you be looking for to replace McGhee and give you a proper chance of a squad rebuild, capable of challenging to come straight back up.

Is it? Based on what? Certainly not on our owners decade in charge thus far. Managers are always well backed.

Jack Ross is meant to be a done deal apparently which I'm sure will be scoffed at on this thread since a few St Mirren fans have jumped into the Dundee thread to dismiss it!

I'd be looking to go for Paul Hartley if that is confirmed as nonsense though.

 

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4 minutes ago, Ludo*1 said:

Is it? Based on what? Certainly not on our owners decade in charge thus far. Managers are always well backed.

Jack Ross is meant to be a done deal apparently which I'm sure will be scoffed at on this thread since a few St Mirren fans have jumped into the Dundee thread to dismiss it!

I'd be looking to go for Paul Hartley if that is confirmed as nonsense though.

 

Probably depends on his severance payments from Hibs, if he is only paid until he gets a new job then I can see him waiting them out, if not then Dundee would be a good fit as he needs to rebuild his reputation. 
Either way best of luck next season. 

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8 minutes ago, Ludo*1 said:

Is it? Based on what? Certainly not on our owners decade in charge thus far. Managers are always well backed.

Jack Ross is meant to be a done deal apparently which I'm sure will be scoffed at on this thread since a few St Mirren fans have jumped into the Dundee thread to dismiss it!

I'd be looking to go for Paul Hartley if that is confirmed as nonsense though.

 

Jack Ross to Dundee from us was a done deal 5 years ago as well if the local press was to be believed.

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2 hours ago, Ludo*1 said:

Adam has had a bit of a horrendous time with injuries this season and it may well be that he is indeed finished. However, I think his performances as of late have been due to a disconnect with our current manager and the fact that we've basically relied on a 36 year old CM who was never blessed physically to run the show every single time he's on the park. I firmly believe we've ran him into the ground this season.

He's shown he can still cut it when required such as him ripping the piss out of Scott Brown and more recently Lewis Ferguson where Charlie Adam basically salvaged us a point single handedly.

He's certainly not a player to be relied on to be the only player with any creative talent in a team and he's not a player that can play multiple times a week, but he's one of the few that have pretty much delivered for us when on the pitch.

To put it into context:

Charlie Adam in the team: 23 points in 22 games.

Charlie Adam not in the team: 2 points in 11 games (scoring only 5 goals in that time).

I would also imagine the decision to play him in central midfield alongside another aging player past his best in McGowan didn't help his performance. Anyone with an ounce of football knowledge would know that Adam is only effective if surrounded by younger players to do the running. 

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Just now, Hendo said:

I would also imagine the decision to play him in central midfield alongside another aging player past his best in McGowan didn't help his performance. Anyone with an ounce of football knowledge would know that Adam is only effective if surrounded by younger players to do the running. 

Indeed - another one of Mark McGhee's utterly bizarre decisions. Shaun Byrne & Max Anderson (who scored our winner last time we met) were sitting on the bench.

McGowan is a player that hasn't been able to play CM for a good 4-5 seasons. He's off the striker or he's not on the pitch. McPake & McGhee have played him at LW at times this season and then McGhee thinks that pairing will bring success just sums up our ineptitude this season.

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Main looks a different player, fair play to him. Unrecognisable yesterday, and unlucky not to have scored more. What a finish for his goal, too. :)

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On 04/05/2022 at 09:14, Mr. Smith said:

But talk of microaggressions and 'white privilege', etc, is simply nonsense, IMHO. However, this is the wrong thread. Go to the politics forum if you want to discuss that stuff, please.

Right, so you are an apologist for racists, you have publicly admitted it.

Your claim that somehow there is no evidence to support my claims, despite endless research papers to show the opposite coupled with endless anecdotal evidence, demonstrates the very thing you are railing against. You have demonstrated exactly what white privilege is, while having the arrogance to publicly claim that because you don't understand a situation it doesn't exist. White privilege is dismissing racial aggression because YOU do not experience it on a personal level. I have, and it is a fucking demoralising thing to watch those you love or care about be treated differently *every* *single* *fucking* *day*, and considerably more damaging to them.

In short you are a c**t,  I will not converse with you on this site again.

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Right, onto other things, not stupid wee laddies somehow showing their fucking ignorance of society.

 

Main, he played well, nobody can deny that. However my opinion of his performance probably differs with most others, he still needs to be got shot of. Robinson won't do that because he obviously has a stiffy for him, but the bottom line is this is a man who spent almost all the season putting in terrible, just abject terrible, performances than all of a sudden he puts in a good performance, scoring his first (first!) goal of the season in the 35th game of the season, many many weeks too late. He should be shown the door and replaced with someone who actually can show a level of first team consistency for the whole season and not just when the whim takes them.

In short, Main's good performance on Saturday rather than raising my, already low, opinion of him, it has actually lowered it knowing he could have, at any time, put in that level of effort, but simply chose not to.

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1 hour ago, Ric said:

In short, Main's good performance on Saturday rather than raising my, already low, opinion of him, it has actually lowered it knowing he could have, at any time, put in that level of effort, but simply chose not to.

That's a huge stretch to claim his poor performances this season were because he chose not to play as well as he could.

There's loads of factors to take into account.  Morale and self belief, coaching styles,  injuries, the pressure and reaction from fans,  the performances of the players around him too. Maybe he's even been told straight, your place at St mirren is on the line. 

I'm not saying he's a changed man and will be banging in goals every week, but clearly the return of the guy who saw him have his best spell in his career has helped him conquer some of those demons. For a couple games at least. 

Whether that's enough to justify him staying at the club is entirely up for debate. Itd be taking a risk on someone who has proven they can struggle here.

If there's players out there that are within reach of our club who are better,  or could be better but are also risks, then I'd chose them over Main.  

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Only a St Mirren fan* could see good performances from a St Mirren player in back-to-back games, which resulted in back-to-back wins which secure top flight status, and say it has actually lowered their opinion on that player. 😄

 

 

 

 

 

 

* Falkirk fans too. Another bunch of torn-faced gits. 😎

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Assuming we go with four strikers in the squad, I think you can find room for the Main we saw on Saturday. He's clearly a confidence player and he was very good. 

Recruitment will depend heavily on how Robbo wants to shape us up. We need more wide players if he's going for a 4-3-3, though Greive could be one of those.

Either way, we'll certainly be bringing in at least one striker and one winger/wide forward, but it's safe to say Main will be in the picture too.

I think our shopping list will look like this:

Striker; 

Winger/WF with pace, please;

One further midfielder (assuming O'Hara and Baccus stories are true - that would leave us perming three from Kiltie, Baccus, O'Hara, Reid + new person);

Possibly a right back if Robinson decides he doesn't want Fraser as first choice;

GK - assuming it's Carson.

Maybe a surprise additional attacking mid to give Kiltie competition.

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47 minutes ago, pozbaird said:

Only a St Mirren fan* could see good performances from a St Mirren player in back-to-back games, which resulted in back-to-back wins which secure top flight status, and say it has actually lowered their opinion on that player.

Or... perhaps only a St Mirren fan could somehow hold onto the hope about a player who has failed to score in every single game they have played, until 3 games before the end of the season, and at the same time praise that player for "securing our top flight" when they have been at least partly responsible for why the club needed to wait until the 3rd last game of the season to be secure.

It's not like I have denied his two recent performances have probably been his best, but that is the problem here.

 

56 minutes ago, Buddiesaint said:

That's a huge stretch to claim his poor performances this season were because he chose not to play as well as he could.

There's loads of factors to take into account.  Morale and self belief, coaching styles,  injuries, the pressure and reaction from fans,  the performances of the players around him too. Maybe he's even been told straight, your place at St mirren is on the line.

This is the same for every single player in the squad though. The person most responsible for Main's performances have been Main himself. I have stated time and again, I bear no ill will towards Main. If people are willing to pay him to play then who am I to say he shouldn't. My point is that he has simply not provided the return that even the most modest requirement would consider a success.

In fact, if there is anyone to "blame" here, it's Goodwin for not getting the best out of him. There is no "blame" to be had, I understand why he was bought, but it hasn't worked out. Robinson looks to have improved his output by playing him as a 2, but even at his best, his very best, he is not a consistent scorer, and that as a striker is literally the thing you are brought to the club for.

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7 minutes ago, Coventry Saint said:

Assuming we go with four strikers in the squad, I think you can find room for the Main we saw on Saturday. He's clearly a confidence player and he was very good. 

Recruitment will depend heavily on how Robbo wants to shape us up. We need more wide players if he's going for a 4-3-3, though Greive could be one of those.

Either way, we'll certainly be bringing in at least one striker and one winger/wide forward, but it's safe to say Main will be in the picture too.

I think our shopping list will look like this:

Striker; 

Winger/WF with pace, please;

One further midfielder (assuming O'Hara and Baccus stories are true - that would leave us perming three from Kiltie, Baccus, O'Hara, Reid + new person);

Possibly a right back if Robinson decides he doesn't want Fraser as first choice;

GK - assuming it's Carson.

Maybe a surprise additional attacking mid to give Kiltie competition.

I think we might stick with the 3-5-2 next season tbh. Tanser signing the new deal seems to suggest that to me, and Fraser looks so much better in the back three. I think we will be desperate to get in a Tanser type for the right hand side, and maybe another backup for the left. Means we will have Tanser, Fraser, Shaughnessy, Kiltie and Erhahon in the spots they look most comfortable (providing they all stay) and play a front two , which seems to suit all the strikers at the club.

I don't think we will sign a striker, I think Robinson will go with Brophy, Main and Greive with Offord and Jamieson backing them up. Mind you, I think Robinson's style is to have a big squad with plenty of competition for places and options. We are kind of used to Goodwin having one first pick and a couple of "utility" players filling in. I think we are going back to the Jack Ross days of hundreds of players in every position.

 

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3 minutes ago, Ric said:

... perhaps only a St Mirren fan could somehow hold onto the hope that a player who has failed to score in every single game they have played, until 3 games before the end of the season...

Main scored against Aberdeen in the 3-2 game. 

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It's obviously far too soon to make predictions for what we'll look like under Robinson, but I'd be surprised if we don't end up with a 5-3-2 (with the RWB/LWB pushing high). The team is sort of set up that way anyway due to Goodwin trying that (albeit with one up front) and looking at the players that have either been confirmed or rumoured it doesn't really change my opinion on that.

We're actually in a decent place, in terms of building towards next season. I would love to convince Gogic to stick around but I feel he'll be snapped up by others (either here or abroad). Ronan I'm sort of so-so about. He's a great player, no doubting, but I always accepted he'd be a loan only and I really can't see us putting up the finances to bring him back permanently. Again, others will be interested. With that in mind, we do need to look at bringing in someone with a bit of creativity. We've been lucky to have both McGrath then Ronan, and it's more hope than expectation Robinson could find a similar player to bring in. Fingers crossed though.

Other than that, it'll be interesting to see where Robinson stands on bringing through the youth. Henderson should now be considered a 1st team player, he has earned that right imo, but will Robinson prefer to loan him out? I think we'd all agree a successful loan to a club in the Championship would do wonders for him, but he's at the cusp of being very useful to use in the Premiership. Offord and Jamieson, too, while maybe not ready for consistent 1st team involvement, it'll be interesting to see where Robinson sees them in terms of development.

 

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11 minutes ago, Doctor Sanchez said:

Main scored against Aberdeen in the 3-2 game. 

Saturday saw Main's first league goal of the season.

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