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39 minutes ago, geo87 said:


Haha wit!?

I have heard from several sources / several times over the years his attitude and professionalism off the park isn’t what it should be. He is clearly
A good player, but something isn’t right, and the fact “such a good player” hasn’t nailed down a regular spot after a few seasons would suggest that he isn’t doing what he’s being asked to do.

Either that or our last 3 managers are racist too.

He's played 95 games for St Mirren at the age of 20. Yeah, managers hate him.

 

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You should get your account banned for throwing around accusations like that to be honest.

The St. Mirren fans get on Ethan's back due to his performances on the park, not his skin colour.

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58 minutes ago, Ric said:

I appreciate you are meaning for Erhahon, but Shankland's sojourn to Belgium has been the opposite, it's not helped him at all. If anything, it's left him looking like a one season wonder rather than a player for the future.

Lawrence Shankland is 27 in August.

He stopped being “one for the future” about 6 years ago! 

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There is nothing racist about the criticism of Ethan. I think most fans are just frustrated that he has shown flashes of what he can do, but he has not progressed as we hoped he would. I was all for giving him a run in the team but he has been quite poor this season, whether starting or as a substitute.  He seems to have a problem with his attitude and that shows on the pitch.  For what it's worth, Pogba is a waste of a wage but I'd happily take Kante.  

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16 minutes ago, Thenorthernlight said:

Lawrence Shankland is 27 in August.

He stopped being “one for the future” about 6 years ago! 

In terms of getting a big move and forcing his way into the Scotland team.

Although I take your point.

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1 hour ago, Ric said:

I appreciate you are meaning for Erhahon, but Shankland's sojourn to Belgium has been the opposite, it's not helped him at all. If anything, it's left him looking like a one season wonder rather than a player for the future.

I was more referencing going PT at Ayr and realising his career was slipping away unless he got himself fit and firing.

 

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Can't get on board with the racist undertones side of it at all.

I'd say it's definitely a combination of unrealistic expectations of a player in that position and perception of someone working smart meaning not working hard. I remember Kenny McLean and Stevie Mallan getting the exact same stick in that area of the park as youngsters until they were both moved into roles more befitting to them. Many would think because they weren't always busy, flying into tackles and chasing lost causes all day, they were a shitebag and/or not trying.

MacPherson on the other hand got plenty of praise because he'd run about like a headless chicken all day for you and do a whole lot of nothing much apart from one in every 4 or 5 games. It's the same rationale that some still inexplicably use to rate Alan Power as a good signing for us.

I'm sure when Erhahon moves on, Dylan Reid will be next to get it because from what I've seen, he's also a very good footballer but doesn't just fly about chasing the ball like a dog chasing traffic.

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There’s a player in Erhahon somewhere and probably best he moves on to a fresh start. He’s never really established himself or sorted out his attitude. 

To suggest his colour has anything to do with his inability to show the correct level of performance required  at this level is bonkers. 

He seems a nice bubbly type of lad and is only about 20 years old. He needs to do a bit maturing on and off the park, and sort out his issues to move on and further his career.

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2 hours ago, GAD said:

Erhahon wouldn't get anything like the level of stick he does from the St Mirren dad's if he was white. He's a massively better player than MacPherson for example who they all loved and cried about leaving to St Johnstone. He was scapegoated for the Hibs result pretty unfairly considering he was miles better than Power that day, the senior player who has been selling the jerseys every week with barely a peep said about it.

That's a terrible thing to say .

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Just now, glenburn bud said:

To suggest his colour has anything to do with his inability to show the correct level of performance required  at this level is bonkers.

I could be wrong here, but I don't think that's what is being discussed. It's whether the criticism of him is emphasised by the "yer da" types who are willing to be reductionist regarding race.

Let's be honest, does Erhahon experience racism almost every single day he leaves his house? Probably. Which is damning af, but sadly true. It is a sad fact of life for just about anyone non-white. Better up here than it is down South, it has to be said, although that is small comfort.

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14 minutes ago, aldo_j said:

I was more referencing going PT at Ayr and realising his career was slipping away unless he got himself fit and firing.

 

Yeah. I see where you are coming from. In Shankland's case, the dropping down the leagues worked for him, at least in part, but moving the Belgium doesn't seem to have.

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The main difference with Erhahon and MacPherson for me is that I think most folk quickly realised the MacPherson was a sort of industrious, hard working type with limited ability. Erhahon, on the other hand, had shown some flashes of real qualirty and abilitiy and as a fanbase we have had high expectations of him for the last 3ish years. The player we thought he was going to develop into has failed to materialise thus far.

His attitude has reportedly been a problem for several years. I got the impression Goodwin wasn't particulary a fan of Erhahon's attitude.

Following his stint atr Barnsley, it's been evident to me that he clearly doesn't want to be here and sees himself playing at a far higher level. I haven't saw any evidence to back that up.

To add to all of that, it doesn't help when, what is essentially a young boy, takes to social media to have a pop at the fans.

He needs to just knuckle down, screw the nut and try to kick on into the player we though we were getting 2/3 years ago. Whether that's at us or elsewhere, at this point I'm not really arsed. Best of luck to him, but I can't say I'm too fussed if he's moved on.

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2 hours ago, GAD said:

Erhahon wouldn't get anything like the level of stick he does from the St Mirren dad's if he was white. He's a massively better player than MacPherson for example who they all loved and cried about leaving to St Johnstone. He was scapegoated for the Hibs result pretty unfairly considering he was miles better than Power that day, the senior player who has been selling the jerseys every week with barely a peep said about it.

FFS are you being serious? If so, you should give your head a wobble.

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46 minutes ago, Mr. Alli said:

Would be a great move for Erahon. Always been impressed by him when I've seen him play. 

He's had games where he has looked the full package. Hungry, dynamic, mobile... Playing with bite and vision, able to pick a pass and dictate a game.

Sadly, there have been but a handful of such games. If I close my eyes and imagine him playing, I mainly see someone blindly heading the ball forwards about 15 yards to an opponent, or "winning a free kick" and whinging at the referee in that way that really ought to result in more bookings for players.

In a nutshell, he came back from Barnsley a better player, but not one who wanted to play for us any more, and it shows.

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3 hours ago, Coventry Saint said:

He's had games where he has looked the full package. Hungry, dynamic, mobile... Playing with bite and vision, able to pick a pass and dictate a game.

Sadly, there have been but a handful of such games. If I close my eyes and imagine him playing, I mainly see someone blindly heading the ball forwards about 15 yards to an opponent, or "winning a free kick" and whinging at the referee in that way that really ought to result in more bookings for players.

In a nutshell, he came back from Barnsley a better player, but not one who wanted to play for us any more, and it shows.

It's when you compare the first half of the first Rangers home game to the recent Hibs game.

Against Rangers, he was everywhere and seemed unplayable, pinging about passes that you'd expect Ronan to be making. As such, we played Rangers off the park for the majority of that half. Against Hibs, however, he'd win the first ball then stop, and then complain that the opposition had retaken posession; and his passing was abysmal. How he wasn't hooked after 55/60mins is beyond me. 

It's that Jekyll and Hyde aspect that frustrates me. He has the ability to be the first name on the team sheet each week, but doesn't seem to want to show it

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I've been going to watch St Mirren since the early 90s. I could count on one hand how many overtly racist comments I've heard and it's been a long time since I heard anything overtly racist. 

But racism isn't always openly apparent. I think accusations of racism should be met with a bit of humility and contemplation, rather than a blanket refusal to accept that it has happened, or saying 'at least we're not as bad as them down the road." We can all learn and we can all be better. 

Does Ethan Erhahon receive racist abuse from St Mirren fans? Not that I've heard. Is some of the stick he gets worse because of his ethnicity? That's entirely possible and I don't think it's helpful to refuse to accept that possibility. 

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6 minutes ago, houston_bud said:

I've been going to watch St Mirren since the early 90s. I could count on one hand how many overtly racist comments I've heard and it's been a long time since I heard anything overtly racist. 

But racism isn't always openly apparent. I think accusations of racism should be met with a bit of humility and contemplation, rather than a blanket refusal to accept that it has happened, or saying 'at least we're not as bad as them down the road." We can all learn and we can all be better. 

Does Ethan Erhahon receive racist abuse from St Mirren fans? Not that I've heard. Is some of the stick he gets worse because of his ethnicity? That's entirely possible and I don't think it's helpful to refuse to accept that possibility. 

I think it's more down to his hot and cold form, we can all see there is a player in there somewhere. He seems to play well when the teams playing well and vice versa. 

Would have preferred us to get the best out of him on a regular basis as he is clearly talented. A good fee n sell on clause appears to be the best outcome for us now, and he might get a good move. 

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