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The board must be thinking what the hell have we done.

If GLS was in charge this guys might not have made the split. 😕

I can only hope he is getting clear feedback from the board as his performance since he took over has been appalling, not just the results but his communication, lack of leadership, organisation, accountability and self awareness have all been well below the required levels.

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7 minutes ago, Hendo said:

However, Robinson is the guy who should be making us hard to break down - some of the goals we lost both today and in the cup game v Hearts were schoolboy defending and would never have happened under Goodwin.

Morecambe fans had the same criticism of Robinson - quite attacking but an open style of play that leaves his teams at high risk of being caught short at the back and losing goals on the counter. All four goals today weren't really individual errors (though Lyness should have saved the first) but were down to lack of organisation and defensive shape.

That sort of defending did happen under Goodwin too.  Fair enough i think we'd have probably drew our way into the top 6 under him, we definitely wouldn't have lost against County, United and Motherwell with Jim in charge but we need to get over it, its all hypothetical and we'll drive ourselves mad thinking about it.

I think the players need to take their fair share of the blame. I am totally in love with the guy but Shaughnessy had an absolute stinker, we didn't have any sort of leadership on the park today apart from Power trying to get sent off at the end. Maybe not individual errors but Fraser, McCarthy and Shaughnessy played like they had never met each other and we definitely miss Tanser on the left.

Priority in the summer is filling Alnwicks gloves. Lyness has done well for us but i don't have the same confidence in him as some of our fans do to perform for 40+games.

 

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7 minutes ago, sergie's no1 fan said:

That sort of defending did happen under Goodwin too.  Fair enough i think we'd have probably drew our way into the top 6 under him, we definitely wouldn't have lost against County, United and Motherwell with Jim in charge but we need to get over it, its all hypothetical and we'll drive ourselves mad thinking about it.

I think the players need to take their fair share of the blame. I am totally in love with the guy but Shaughnessy had an absolute stinker, we didn't have any sort of leadership on the park today apart from Power trying to get sent off at the end. Maybe not individual errors but Fraser, McCarthy and Shaughnessy played like they had never met each other and we definitely miss Tanser on the left.

Priority in the summer is filling Alnwicks gloves. Lyness has done well for us but i don't have the same confidence in him as some of our fans do to perform for 40+games.

 

Even in the run of 11 winless games before Christmas, when we were playing a formation that clearly didn't work, we still drew 6 of them. The football might not have been pretty but we at least looked organised at the back. It's the same players, only change is the manager - though agree they are all experienced players who should have done much better today, regardless of the fact there clearly has been zero work done in training on defensive structure.

As for Lyness, he has performed well at times when coming into the side, but I think today showed why he has been a lower league journeyman who often has struggled to be first choice at all his clubs. Definitely need a new goalie of the calibre of a Hladky or Alnwick.

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12 minutes ago, Hendo said:

Even in the run of 11 winless games before Christmas, when we were playing a formation that clearly didn't work, we still drew 6 of them. The football might not have been pretty but we at least looked organised at the back. It's the same players, only change is the manager - though agree they are all experienced players who should have done much better today, regardless of the fact there clearly has been zero work done in training on defensive structure.

As for Lyness, he has performed well at times when coming into the side, but I think today showed why he has been a lower league journeyman who often has struggled to be first choice at all his clubs. Definitely need a new goalie of the calibre of a Hladky or Alnwick.

I'd been one of the guys saying 'let's give Lyness a go'.

Yeah, let's not.

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22 minutes ago, Buddiesaint said:

Robinson might end up being a good appointment in the long term, im sure we'll see, but short term he's been nothing short of a disaster. To think we paid another club money for him.

£350k as well. Bizarre decision.

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Robinson's comments are by far the most concerning thing for me. We'll always have sticky spells but how the manager carries himself during that is important. I'd much rather he was backing his players when speaking to the media, feels a bit like he's looking for excuses and too often throwing the players under a bus. 

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14 minutes ago, houston_bud said:

Robinson's comments are by far the most concerning thing for me. We'll always have sticky spells but how the manager carries himself during that is important. I'd much rather he was backing his players when speaking to the media, feels a bit like he's looking for excuses and too often throwing the players under a bus. 

That as well. With so many games left. 

That strategy didn't end too well for Terry Butcher and John Hughes

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1 hour ago, houston_bud said:

Robinson's comments are by far the most concerning thing for me. We'll always have sticky spells but how the manager carries himself during that is important. I'd much rather he was backing his players when speaking to the media, feels a bit like he's looking for excuses and too often throwing the players under a bus. 

Agreed. We have gone from "this is a good squad, we just need to keep doing what we're doing" to "players heads have been turned, we just need to get to the end of the season so I can get my own players in" in little over a month. 

Even an incompetent manager (and i don't believe Robinson is) needed to do not very much to keep us on track for top 6 with the squad we have. I think he has tried to "put his stamp" on the team, but in doing so has told some players to leave yet will still expect them to put a shift in when they know they are not in long term plans - a sure way to demotivate.

Only consolation is we still have a cushion on St J and even if the worst comes to the worst, this seasons championship play off contenders look especially shit.

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1 minute ago, Hendo said:

Agreed. We have gone from "this is a good squad, we just need to keep doing what we're doing" to "players heads have been turned, we just need to get to the end of the season so I can get my own players in" in little over a month. 

Even an incompetent manager (and i don't believe Robinson is) needed to do not very much to keep us on track for top 6 with the squad we have. I think he has tried to "put his stamp" on the team, but in doing so has told some players to leave yet will still expect them to put a shift in when they know they are not in long term plans - a sure way to demotivate.

Only consolation is we still have a cushion on St J and even if the worst comes to the worst, this seasons championship play off contenders look especially shit.

Yeah, I've gone from desperately wanting Arbroath to win that league to being quite pleased Killie aren't going to be in the playoffs.

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I can’t get my head around why he thinks it was a good idea to tell players they were not getting a new deal, when we had so much left to play for. He then went public with that info and proceeds to throw them under the bus, when they’re not playing for him.

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29 minutes ago, Coventry Saint said:

Yeah, I've gone from desperately wanting Arbroath to win that league to being quite pleased Killie aren't going to be in the playoffs.

To be fair, Killie look poor as well, but in a two legged play off there's always a risk Lafferty plays a couple of stormers.

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29 minutes ago, gordon.kennedy said:

SMISA agreed to pay for him. No doubt it will be Tonys fault if we get relegated.

SMISA can do that without a vote from its members  ? Would be surprised at that.  The league is so tight don't remember the top flight being so close with so many teams.  Fans are looking over their shoulders now 6 points in front of the Fakes.look up and we are three points off  5th. We can write off next Sunday but so can the Fakes they are at Parkhead. So bottom 6 we will be in. I'm not overly worried it's all about who leaves and who comes in during the summer. Next season I will judge Robinson.  Personally I'm glad we are not in no man land makes for a meaningful end to the season. Fakes are not as bad as their league position shows. Second bottom could be Fakes, St Mirren , Ross County,  Livingston,  Aberdeen. Interesting stuff. Goodwin does not look his happy go lucky self in interviews time will tell if it was the right move. Jak is not going to Aberdeen I also think Roman will want to prove himself at Wolves.  Looking forward to the run in with meaningful games. 

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48 minutes ago, gordon.kennedy said:

SMISA agreed to pay for him. No doubt it will be Tonys fault if we get relegated.

Fan owned but not fan run is the mantra used.

Tony Fitzpatrick put forward Robinson as ideal candidate and Jim Gillespie (Kibble) sealed the deal on behalf of the board.

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The way I see this is that the players are definitely going to need to get us out of this but I question the wisdom of telling some they’re not needed. How can you possibly even consider this when your chasing a top six spot. It’s absolutely terrible timing. The worry now is that we have players who have downed tools and I’m now genuinely fearing we end up in the playoffs. This has the whiff of Terry Butcher at Hibernian . Really surprised at how the manager has played this since he came in because it’s been very poor and what was a club sitting sixth and in tremendous form upon his arrival now looks totally rudderlesss

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