Ric Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 (edited) Got to say the more I think about this the more the financial penalty is pretty shitty. In normal times, sure, but considering all clubs are at the mercy of Covid with little or no revenue streams coming in, hitting either club with a fine is pretty shocking considering the SPFL itself has delayed the payment they were due to hand out. Edited December 3, 2020 by Ric -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 19 minutes ago, Munoz said: What was the punishment of Aberdeen, Celtic or Rangers? I'd go for something similar to that. Tbf you've got a point. Two of our players disregarding the rules, thankfully the club found out before they could mix with the squad. Only players punished. celtic playing a player who should have been in isolation. Slap on the wrists. Sheep players out on the bevvy, slap on the wrists. The spfl aren't being very consistent here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 We should be appealing against the severity of the punishment. Not sure you could award teams points then at a later date reverse that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mordecai Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Got to say the more I think out this the more the financial penalty is pretty shitty. In normal times, sure, but considering all clubs are at the mercy of Covid with little or no revenue streams coming in, hitting either club with a fine is pretty shocking considering the SPFL itself has delayed the payment they were due to hand out. We also won't be bringing in any money from the PPV for those 2 games. I'm not sure how much that would be, but it's another indirect financial penalty. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAD Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 5 minutes ago, Ric said: Got to say the more I think out this the more the financial penalty is pretty shitty. In normal times, sure, but considering all clubs are at the mercy of Covid with little or no revenue streams coming in, hitting either club with a fine is pretty shocking considering the SPFL itself has delayed the payment they were due to hand out. Is the fine not suspended though? We will only get the fine if we do it again. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coventry Saint Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 The 'distancing for the pre-game meal' bit is fucking stupid. Were they allowed to then pile into the away dressing room together? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, GAD said: Is the fine not suspended though? We will only get the fine if we do it again. You are right.. "suspended in full until 30 June 2021" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munoz Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said: 40 minutes ago, Munoz said: We should be appealing against the severity of the punishment. Not sure you could award teams points then at a later date reverse that. No team should be getting deducted points. A fine would have more that sufficed. Sorry, not a deduction- forfeit games. Edited December 3, 2020 by Munoz 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dublin_bud Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Mordecai said: 11 minutes ago, Ric said: Got to say the more I think out this the more the financial penalty is pretty shitty. In normal times, sure, but considering all clubs are at the mercy of Covid with little or no revenue streams coming in, hitting either club with a fine is pretty shocking considering the SPFL itself has delayed the payment they were due to hand out. We also won't be bringing in any money from the PPV for those 2 games. I'm not sure how much that would be, but it's another indirect financial penalty. This. And what about the 2 games that season ticket holders should be getting access to? Will that be offered back as a partial refund, or will we get offered a Scottish Cup game in exchange? Either way, a further potential financial penalty Edited December 3, 2020 by dublin_bud Spelling 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossBFaeDundee Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Hahaha 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby_F Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Seriously did not expect this. 3-0 awards for games in the group stages of the BetFred understandable as you can't really postpone those games. 3-0 awards in the league - with no prior indication that this was likely - a completely different thing. I expected something like a suspended fine - and a warning to ALL clubs that from here on in, don't play the game, and it's a 3-0 forfeit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well Well Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monthelie' Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 25 minutes ago, Ric said: You are right.. "suspended in full until 30 June 2021" We'll surely make another f**k up before the seasons done. Never mind though, our 'CEO' will still demand top 4. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djchapsticks Posted December 3, 2020 Author Share Posted December 3, 2020 The hiring of two H&S regulators after sanctions were brought we as clear and admission of guilt as you'd see. We didn't have a position to defend from after that. Regardless of people's feelings on severity of punishment, fairness etc., we've wronged and admitted being wrong so unfortunately we need to suck it up and get on with it. There's no point in appealing at this point, there is no way would they hand 3 x 3-0 wins out to clubs and then rescind that. However, any future breaches need to be seriously looked at and investigated. The argument that a club are responsible for players breaching rules for players carsharing together off their work premises but not responsible for them going out to a pub together after work simply doesn't stack up for me. Either both are chargeable or neither are. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G51 Red Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Ric said: I don't begrudge Hamilton their points, after all it is the season of giving to the needy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djchapsticks Posted December 3, 2020 Author Share Posted December 3, 2020 On a deeper level as well, someone or several people at the club need their positions seriously called into question here. If the club admitted wrongdoing (which they have) then it's either wilful negligence to not only not put correct measures in place but to let players continue to car share and turn a blind eye. If giving the benefit of the doubt and it's not wilfully been ignored then it's complete incompetence and is every bit as bad. The buck has to stop somewhere and with someone - who that person or those people are, I've no idea but there needs to be a full enquiry and disciplinary action if need be. The decisions made here have cost the club a fortune, a chance at two matches that we very realistically could have taken something from and could be the difference in what league we end up in next season. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btb Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, djchapsticks said: On a deeper level as well, someone or several people at the club need their positions seriously called into question here. If the club admitted wrongdoing (which they have) then it's either wilful negligence to not only not put correct measures in place but to let players continue to car share and turn a blind eye. If giving the benefit of the doubt and it's not wilfully been ignored then it's complete incompetence and is every bit as bad. The buck has to stop somewhere and with someone - who that person or those people are, I've no idea but there needs to be a full enquiry and disciplinary action if need be. The decisions made here have cost the club a fortune, a chance at two matches that we very realistically could have taken something from and could be the difference in what league we end up in next season. Traditionally it used to stop at the top... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djchapsticks Posted December 3, 2020 Author Share Posted December 3, 2020 5 minutes ago, btb said: Traditionally it used to stop at the top... If that's the case so be it. The admission of guilt was there for all to see when we hired two new people to set protocols in place AFTER being charged. A clear case of the horse having already bolted. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monthelie' Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 7 minutes ago, btb said: Traditionally it used to stop at the top... We seem to lurch from one disaster another. Someone remind me what the kibble are bringing to the table? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropy Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 They should have been forced to play the games behind closed doors. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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